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View Poll Results: Are Pittsburgh, Erie, and Buffalo Northeastern or Midwestern?
Northeastern 42 50.60%
Midwestern 10 12.05%
Mixed 31 37.35%
Voters: 83. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-29-2013, 03:53 PM
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That doesn't change the fact that it was founded by Catholics for Catholics.
And Massachusetts was founded by Puritans for Puritans. But it's one of the most Catholic states in the country today.
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Old 04-29-2013, 04:06 PM
 
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Meh, I'd classify Buffalo as eastern Midwest. You know its Midwest when you go to a diner and you have to order pop instead of soda.
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Old 04-29-2013, 04:18 PM
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Maryland isn't known for its Irish and Italian communities.
Baltimore has been home to large Italian and Irish communities, communities of Polish, Greek, and Lithuanian people as well. Maryland is quite Catholic.
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Old 04-29-2013, 04:44 PM
 
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Baltimore has been home to large Italian and Irish communities, communities of Polish, Greek, and Lithuanian people as well. Maryland is quite Catholic.
Baltimore has never had a LARGE Italian population.
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Old 04-29-2013, 04:51 PM
 
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Not really. It never had anything close to an immigrant + 2nd generation majority like New York, Boston and Philadelphia in the 19th and early 20th centuries. New Orleans had German, Irish and Italian immigrant communities as well. As the largest city in the South, an industrial center and a port city, it was going to attract *some* immigrants.

Baltimore did have a significant Eastern European Jewish immigration in the early 1900's though. I'll give it that (DC's Jewish population in contrast is overwhelmingly from other parts of the US, few actually directly immigrated there).
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Old 04-29-2013, 04:56 PM
 
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Also, the African American population in Maryland/DC far exceeds any "northern" state or metro. There's no equivalent to PG County in Philadelphia or New York, there is one in Atlanta.
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Old 04-29-2013, 05:02 PM
 
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Maryland is a Border state. Anyway there seems to be a tendency to take some sort of "ideal type" and apply it to the region as a whole.

i.e. Northeast = BosWash (cosmopolitan, sophisticated, fast-paced, liberal ipso facto anything in western and central NY and PA must not by northeast)

South = Deep South (religious, socially conservative, etc.)
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Old 04-29-2013, 05:35 PM
 
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Also, the African American population in Maryland/DC far exceeds any "northern" state or metro. There's no equivalent to PG County in Philadelphia or New York, there is one in Atlanta.
Equivalent in terms of a community/communities or a whole county?

Keep in mind that NY has more Black people than any other state and is on par with states like FL, TN and AR in Black percentage. I believe that it is 10th in that regard.
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Old 04-29-2013, 06:04 PM
 
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In Pittsburgh, the typical political alliance has been Philly+Pittsburgh versus the rural areas in the center of the state. Thus, Pittsburgh doesn't have a strong rivalry with Philly - slagging Philly is what people in the boonies do. Pittsburgh's tend to hate Philadelphians who either forget the city exists or argue that both cities aren't on roughly equal levels though.

In contrast, Pittsburgh has a very strong rivalry with Cleveland, which springs from a football rivalry ultimately. This might be part of the reason people from Pittsburgh are so loathe to be called Midwestern. No one wants to be associated with the Browns.
Flyers-Penguins is a great sports rivalry. Phillies-Pirates used to be one of the best rivalries in baseball, back in the 1970's, when both teams were in the same division.

One thing that Pittsburgh and Cleveland have in common is large groups of people of Eastern European ancestry. Cleveland has the most people of Slovak ancestry of any US city, fourth most Hungarian people, and eighth most Ukrainian people. Pittsburgh has the third most Slovak people, tenth most Ukrainian people and tenth most Lithuanian people.

Parma, OH, which is right next to Cleveland, has the second most Slovak people, 7th most Ukrainian, 10th most Hungarian, 22nd most Polish and 24th most Czech people.

Buffalo has the 6th most people of Polish ancestry in the US, Pittsburgh is 11th, Cleveland 14th and Erie 24th.

Some mid-sized cities that have both a high number of people of Eastern European ancestry and a high number of people of Italian ancestry: Pittsburgh, Buffalo and Columbus.

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Old 04-29-2013, 07:24 PM
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Equivalent in terms of a community/communities or a whole county?

Keep in mind that NY has more Black people than any other state and is on par with states like FL, TN and AR in Black percentage. I believe that it is 10th in that regard.
List of U.S. states by African-American population - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Every state of the Confederacy (excluding Texas) has a higher % as well as Maryland and Delaware. Every other American state has a lower black %. It's mainly from New York City taking up so much of the state's population. Vermont is 0.87% black, though I can't remember seeing a black person in Vermont.

By total black population, I'd guess Florida and Texas would surpass New York in the next census. Maybe Georgia as well.
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