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Actually it's not like that at all but whatever...
I think so. You have a coastal, liberal state with a lot of European ethnic diversity and a landlocked, conservative state with not a lot of diversity that's heavily dependent on agriculture. They're not similar whatsoever. To the extent that it's more similar to Mass than Mississippi is, the point is taken. But to me it's no different from saying Barbados is more similar to the U.S. than Mexico.
Is Iowa conservative? At least in the last presidential election, it had a Democratic lean though obviously not as much as Massachusetts. By white vote, it was probably among the highest non-New England states.
Regardless, I'd expect Iowa to feel much more similar to Massachusetts than Mississippi just from being northern. Maybe more so since I live in the relatively rural, less diverse side of Massachusetts.
One thing that makes the Northeast distinctive is a relatively low amount of white evangelical Protestants combined with high percentage of Catholics. The Pew survey sampled every state and some larger metros:
So a rather high amount of Catholics, but more Protestants. Philadelphia isn't too different, but with more black protestants (Catholic as % of white christians is still similar. More irreligious people, which suggests less social conservatism:
More Catholics than Protestants; not many evangelicals at all. I'll add a large minority of evangelicals there are likely hispanic. New England cities have a similar pattern, though not as Jewish. Detroit isn't anywhere as Catholic as the other cities I listed:
Page 13. The farmed areas of upstate New York and Wisconsin look a bit similar, but on average New York is hillier. The towns of upstate New York look older with more neighborhoods with Victorian-era homes. Haven't seen much of Wisconsin, though.
Actually Bajan you maybe right. If you started from scratch and divided the country into four equal parts, then Wisconsin would be in the northeastern part. Anyway as you can see from that map, Wisconsin, Minnesota and especially Michigan with their lakes and forests are clearly different from many of the other Midwestern states.
Interestingly, New York once claimed southern Ontario until it lost the claims with the Quebec Act of 1774. If New York had been able to keep the claims then Windsor, Ontario might be Windsor, New York across from Detroit. Then New York would border Michigan and be north of Ohio. It might change the way we look at both the Midwestern and Northeastern states - at least those near the Great Lakes.
Yeah Nei, I also saw that the Wikipedia article undercounts New York for forest lands. Probably other states as well.
I think so. You have a coastal, liberal state with a lot of European ethnic diversity and a landlocked, conservative state with not a lot of diversity that's heavily dependent on agriculture. They're not similar whatsoever. To the extent that it's more similar to Mass than Mississippi is, the point is taken. But to me it's no different from saying Barbados is more similar to the U.S. than Mexico.
3. Pittsburgh was a river city which peaked early. Major population growth was pretty much done in Allegheny County by 1910. Growth in the teens and 20s was pretty minor in comparison (around 15% each decade). In contrast, the Upper Midwest cities all continued to grow at a very impressive clip at least through the Great Depression. This early end to massive population growth is part of the reason that Pittsburgh never got a large black population in the Great Migration, along with missing out on the huge influx of Appalachian "hillbillies" which shaped working-class white culture in much of the Midwest in the early 20th century. Local population growth was enough to deal with employment demand, so there was no longer any reason for outsiders to move there.
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That is correct, Pittsburgh as well as southwestern Pennsylvania including nearby northern West Virginia and eastern Ohio peaked early.
Also this region is in Appalachia, so any migrants that moved within in the region were already in it. Most people do not realize that there was a steady stream of people from this region that moved to northeastern Ohio to work in the factories in the 1940's-1960's along with other Appalachian people that moved from southern Ohio, the rest of West Virginia, and parts of Kentucky. However the bulk that moved to northeast Ohio were from the nearby Pennsylvania, Ohio, and West Virginia locations.
Is Iowa conservative? At least in the last presidential election, it had a Democratic lean though obviously not as much as Massachusetts. By white vote, it was probably among the highest non-New England states.
Socially moderate. Conservative on economic issues. Ethanol also played a large role in Obama's success there.
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