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Old 05-11-2013, 03:58 PM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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^^My husband is from Omaha. I have asked him, many times, if he thinks Omaha is midwestern or Great Plains. His response? It's "Mid-Plains". Omaha seems very midwestern to me, a Pittsburgher currently living in metro Denver.
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Old 05-11-2013, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Jefferson City 4 days a week, St. Louis 3 days a week
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Talking about KC metro proper - no other metric makes sense when looking at metro
So which counties are we talking about in Missouri besides Jackson and Clay then? If we include counties surrounding KC to the N/E, E, S, and SE, then I agree, there is room for more evangelicals, and your numbers are probably correct. However, Jackson and Clay Counties are both predominantly Catholic.
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Old 05-11-2013, 07:49 PM
 
Location: The Pacific Northwest
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Religion does not have that huge of a bearing on culture. if you had any common sense, you'd know that. I don't respect your point of view...you should just stick to being the stubborn, region-destroyer that you are. IF KC AND DALLAS ARE MORE SIMILAR TO EACH OTHER THAN KC IS TO CHICAGO, THEN INDIANAPOLIS IS MORE SIMILAR TO LOUISVILLE THAN CHICAGO. YOU'VE JUST EXTENDED THE SOUTH INTO ROUGHLY 50% of the Midwest. Which makes you, short and sweet, a lunatic. If you don't like what I'm saying, keep it to yourself or f*** off. If you'd ever set foot in any of these three cities like I have, you'd realize KC is a lot more like Chicago than Dallas. And even furthermore, it's more like Omaha and Des Moines than Dallas.
Region destroyer? LOL, I think you are giving me far too much credit.

I'll just note that you were the one to bring up religion to begin with. Sorry, but you don't get to make an argument about religion and then when it doesn't go your way minimalize it. And I never said I didn't like what you're saying. It's not something to be liked, it's something to be agreed or disagreed with. And I disagree.

Instead of launching personal attacks, why don't you actually try to refute what I'm saying with a reasonable, cogent argument supported by actual evidence? Again, you accuse me of being a lunatic but I've offered plenty of data to support my claim, where you have offered nothing but your opinion. Which is fine, you're entitled to that. But as they say you are not entitled to your own facts.
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Old 05-12-2013, 02:21 AM
 
Location: Jefferson City 4 days a week, St. Louis 3 days a week
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Region destroyer? LOL, I think you are giving me far too much credit.

I'll just note that you were the one to bring up religion to begin with. Sorry, but you don't get to make an argument about religion and then when it doesn't go your way minimalize it. And I never said I didn't like what you're saying. It's not something to be liked, it's something to be agreed or disagreed with. And I disagree.

Instead of launching personal attacks, why don't you actually try to refute what I'm saying with a reasonable, cogent argument supported by actual evidence? Again, you accuse me of being a lunatic but I've offered plenty of data to support my claim, where you have offered nothing but your opinion. Which is fine, you're entitled to that. But as they say you are not entitled to your own facts.
As who says...you? My gosh, Bluefox knows all...he created the universe and knows all of its secrets. And your definition of what makes KC more likely Dallas? Because KC is more socially conservative than Chicago, that makes it like Dallas? Dallas is strongly conservative...KC is moderate to even liberal...it has voted blue for awhile now. The only similarity you've really outlined is the presence of Protestants...among the most common group of religious people in the United States. And even then, KC's Catholic presence still outnumbers Dallas. Jackson County is more Catholic than it is Baptist. That alone is a huge difference from Dallas. There's your "reasonable and cogent" argument. If that still doesn't satisfy you, you must be some kind of crackhead for facts. Dallas is Southern. KC is Midwestern. That alone says all that is needed to say about it. And I'm not minimizing religion...religion is ONE characteristic of culture...you are taking ONE characteristic of culture and using it to say two cities are more alike. That is insane.
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Old 05-15-2013, 05:29 PM
 
Location: IN
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Another item that differentiates Kansas City region from the Midwest core is a general tendency to have poorer grade soils that tend to be much higher in clay content. Also, you can't plant most types of coniferous trees in Kansas City and expect them to do reasonably well compared to the vast majority of the Midwest. The extreme heat and scorching sun angle combined with a drought cycle usually lead to big problems with evergreen trees.
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Old 05-15-2013, 05:54 PM
 
Location: Jefferson City 4 days a week, St. Louis 3 days a week
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Another item that differentiates Kansas City region from the Midwest core is a general tendency to have poorer grade soils that tend to be much higher in clay content. Also, you can't plant most types of coniferous trees in Kansas City and expect them to do reasonably well compared to the vast majority of the Midwest. The extreme heat and scorching sun angle combined with a drought cycle usually lead to big problems with evergreen trees.
Kansas City is not the central Midwest, so of course it's going to have some differences. Kansas City is still in the Midwest. I know how badly you want it to be Southern though, so you'll throw anything you can at it. Linguistically, culturally, and for the most part demographically, KC is a Midwestern city.
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Old 05-15-2013, 07:18 PM
 
Location: IN
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Kansas City is not the central Midwest, so of course it's going to have some differences. Kansas City is still in the Midwest. I know how badly you want it to be Southern though, so you'll throw anything you can at it. Linguistically, culturally, and for the most part demographically, KC is a Midwestern city.
Someone from the Great Lakes region will quickly see that KC has few similarities with their region. Yes, linguistic and cultural differences exist between the two.
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Old 05-16-2013, 09:48 AM
 
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Someone from the Great Lakes region will quickly see that KC has few similarities with their region. Yes, linguistic and cultural differences exist between the two.
Of course, you could say that about different places in the Great Lakes region too. Linguistic and cultural differences exist between say, Duluth and Detroit which are more profound than those between KC and Cleveland.

And the same kind of vegetation/soil/biomes/ecoregions don't exist in Escanaba as in Eerie, PA either.

The flaw in your logic is obvious to everyone but you (or maybe including you).
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Old 05-16-2013, 09:55 AM
 
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Another item that differentiates Kansas City region from the Midwest core is a general tendency to have poorer grade soils that tend to be much higher in clay content. Also, you can't plant most types of coniferous trees in Kansas City and expect them to do reasonably well compared to the vast majority of the Midwest. The extreme heat and scorching sun angle combined with a drought cycle usually lead to big problems with evergreen trees.
Oh, so now "where conifers grow" is your working definition of midwest? Jesus, your getting so thin with this line of argument its laughable. Maybe you should tell the entirety of the southeastern US that it part of the midwest now, because of the piney woods they have there...just like Michigan!!!

And your "assessment" of the soil types around the KC region is just flat wrong. Anyone who has ever turned dirt for a living would have a good guffaw at your idea that NE KS and MW MO have "poor soil". As would every agricultural scientist, agronomist, economist, and ecologist.

Just for your reference, here's a map of the showing concentration of the best growing soil type on earth, mollisol, by land area:


Maybe you should just make the argument that KC is not the "real" midwest because you are from there, and you didn't like it, but you want to be able to say you like "the midwest". Anyone who has read your screeds knows can divine that pretty easily. It would save everyone time.
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Old 05-16-2013, 10:58 AM
 
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Omaha is a Democratic (Big D) city.

Yep, totally. Just look at who they just elected Mayor Seriously Omaha is split down the middle. The West is mostly moderate Republicans, while East Omaha is mostly democratic, but hardly liberal.
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