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Old 05-18-2013, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Outer Boroughs, NYC
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Folks, city populations don't matter. It's the metro or urban population that is important. No one cares if Atlanta proper has 435,000 people (smaller than Nashville, Memphis, Jacksonville, or Charlotte, and that's just the South). It is still the largest city in the Southeast after Miami and Washington, if you count Wash. as the Southeast. Atlanta is 12 times larger than the municipality of Atlanta, and that's all that counts.

South Carolina cities like Greenville (pop. 58,000) are in "small guv'ment" states that don't allow easy annexation, and no consolidation at all. Yet Greenville, Columbia and Charleston are all good-sized metro areas.

City limits and consolidated city-counties are artificial constructs. No comparison between these entities is valid, ever.
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Old 05-18-2013, 12:18 PM
 
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Alabama Birmingham - Possibly

Alaska Anchorage - Possibly

Arizona Phoenix - No

Arkansas Little Rock - No

California Los Angeles - Possibly

Colorado Denver - No

Connecticut Bridgeport - Possibly

Delaware Wilmington - Possibly

Florida Jacksonville - Yes

Georgia Atlanta - No

Hawaii Honolulu - No

Idaho Boise - No

Illinois Chicago - No way

Indiana Indianapolis - No way

Iowa Des Moines - Possibly

Kansas Wichita - Possibly

Kentucky Louisville - Possibly

Louisiana New Orleans - No

Maine Portland - Possibly

Maryland Baltimore - No

Massachusetts Boston - No

Michigan Detroit - No way

Minnesota Minneapolis - No way

Mississippi Jackson - Possibly

Missouri Kansas City - Yes

Montana Billings - No

Nebraska Omaha - No

Nevada Las Vegas - Possibly

New Hampshire Manchester - Possibly

New Jersey Newark - Possibly

New Mexico Albuquerque - Possibly

New York New York City - No way

North Carolina Charlotte - Possibly

North Dakota Fargo - Possibly

Ohio Columbus - Possibly

Oklahoma Oklahoma City - Possibly

Oregon Portland - No

Pennsylvania Philadelphia - No way

Rhode Island Providence - No

South Carolina Columbia - Possibly

South Dakota Sioux Falls - Possibly

Tennessee Memphis - Possibly

Texas Houston - Possibly

Utah Salt Lake City - No

Vermont Burlington - Possibly

Virginia Virginia Beach - Possibly

Washington Seattle - No way

West Virginia Charleston - No

Wisconsin Milwaukee - No

Wyoming Cheyenne - No
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Old 05-18-2013, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Outer Boroughs, NYC
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@313. Your grade: D-/F. At least 10 states you marked as "possibly" are "NO WAY": AK, CA, DE, IA, KS, KY, ME, MS, NE, NM, VT, whether you count city limits only or the entire metro area. Los Angeles (pop. 3.4 million, metro pop. 12 million+) could be surpassed by what other CA city? Not San Diego, not San Jose, not San Francisco. Anchorage is the only city in Alaska; Juneau and Fairbanks are hick towns in comparison. Des Moines is the hub of Iowa and Albuquerque is the only real urban center in New Mexico. They won't be surpassed in this life, but perhaps we'll take a look in Heaven (if either one of us makes it there).

We should be comparing metro areas, not city limits, but even so...
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Old 05-18-2013, 02:07 PM
 
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Some people Say that Miami may be bigger than Jacksonville one Day. Maybe in population, but in Size, never because Jacksonville is 750+ square miles in area. As compared to Miami's 35 sq. Miles. I do believe that if they counted Ft Lauderdale and the Everglades with Miami then yes. Jacksonville takes up 3 counties: Duval (primary), St Johns County (Secondary) and Nassau county (Tertiary). As compared to Miami's 1 county: Dade county.
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Old 05-18-2013, 03:33 PM
 
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@313. Your grade: D-/F. At least 10 states you marked as "possibly" are "NO WAY": AK, CA, DE, IA, KS, KY, ME, MS, NE, NM, VT, whether you count city limits only or the entire metro area. Los Angeles (pop. 3.4 million, metro pop. 12 million+) could be surpassed by what other CA city? Not San Diego, not San Jose, not San Francisco. Anchorage is the only city in Alaska; Juneau and Fairbanks are hick towns in comparison. Des Moines is the hub of Iowa and Albuquerque is the only real urban center in New Mexico. They won't be surpassed in this life, but perhaps we'll take a look in Heaven (if either one of us makes it there).

We should be comparing metro areas, not city limits, but even so...
Yes, I'm comparing city limits.

And you're certainaly entitled to your opinion, but I'm also entitled to mine. You should never rule out anything when it comes to the evolution of cities.

People didn't think Detroit would fall as far as it has either in the 1950s/1960s (nor did they think Grand Rapids would become anything more than a "hick town in comparison").
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Old 05-19-2013, 12:13 AM
 
Location: Mexico City, formerly Columbus, Ohio
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Cleveland used to have 914,000 in 1950 while Cincinnati had 503,000. I know this means nothing but it wouldn't take for ever to get it back, maybe 40-50 years. Although if Columbus grows steady for the next 40-50 years, they could reach 1 million in the city.
It will not take Columbus 40-50 years to see 1 million. It has already surpassed 800,000. At present growth rates, it'll take less than 20. More like 15.
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Old 05-19-2013, 03:52 AM
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It will not take Columbus 40-50 years to see 1 million. It has already surpassed 800,000. At present growth rates, it'll take less than 20. More like 15.
Yeah I checked out Columbus' demographics and I agree it will not take 40-50 years but I disagree with 15 years. Figuring Columbus grew 10.6% last census, it would take around 22-25 years. I don't think, and I very much could be wrong, that Columbus will grow at higher rates than that.
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Old 05-20-2013, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Birmingham
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I think this past census is the closest Birmingham will come to being overtaken. However I think industry and growth is ahead for all four of the main Alabama cities. But in the end, the Ham just has too many weapons and too many ways to grow and go for the other three to make a move.
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Old 05-21-2013, 07:28 PM
 
Location: Somewhere extremely awesome
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Alabama Birmingham - Possibly

Alaska Anchorage - No way (Anchorage is like 8x bigger than Fairbanks)

Arizona Phoenix - No

Arkansas Little Rock - No

California Los Angeles - No way (Los Angeles is 3x bigger than San Diego and 4x bigger than San Jose or San Francisco)

Colorado Denver - No

Connecticut Bridgeport - Possibly

Delaware Wilmington - My guess is probably not, but it's possible given suburban settlement patterns, I don't know what city though

Florida Jacksonville - Most likely not (Jacksonville has 300,000 on Miami)

Georgia Atlanta - No

Hawaii Honolulu - No

Idaho Boise - No

Illinois Chicago - No way

Indiana Indianapolis - No way

Iowa Des Moines - Probably not (there really isn't anything else to exceed it right now)

Kansas Wichita - Probably not (see Iowa)

Kentucky Louisville - Not with the merger thing that happened recently

Louisiana New Orleans - Maybe, but unlikely

Maine Portland - Probably not (see Iowa, Kansas)

Maryland Baltimore - No

Massachusetts Boston - No

Michigan Detroit - No way

Minnesota Minneapolis - No way

Mississippi Jackson - Possibly Probably not (see Iowa, Kansas, Maine)

Missouri Kansas City - If St. Louis grows back, maybe

Montana Billings - No

Nebraska Omaha - No

Nevada Las Vegas - No way (Las Vegas is like 3x the size of Reno, and I don't see any Vegas suburbs taking over anytime soon)

New Hampshire Manchester - Possibly

New Jersey Newark - Possibly

New Mexico Albuquerque - No way (Albuquerque is like 5x larger than any other cities in New Mexico)

New York New York City - No way

North Carolina Charlotte - No (Charlotte is nearly 3x larger than Raleigh)

North Dakota Fargo - Probably not (see Iowa, Kansas, Maine, Mississippi)

Ohio Columbus - Probably not at this point, Columbus has 300,000 more than Cleveland or Cincinnati

Oklahoma Oklahoma City - Probably not

Oregon Portland - No

Pennsylvania Philadelphia - No way

Rhode Island Providence - No

South Carolina Columbia - Possibly

South Dakota Sioux Falls - No (Sioux Falls is around 2x larger than Rapid City)

Tennessee Memphis - Possibly

Texas Houston - Probably not (Houston has about 800,000 more people than Dallas and both are still growing)

Utah Salt Lake City - Surprisingly, this might be a possibility as a couple of Salt Lake City suburbs are getting close in population to the city itself

Vermont Burlington - Possibly

Virginia Virginia Beach - Possibly (not likely though)

Washington Seattle - No way

West Virginia Charleston - Maybe. Huntington is almost the same size. Morgantown and things in the eastern panhandle are growing.

Wisconsin Milwaukee - No

Wyoming Cheyenne - I think Cheyenne and Casper are neck and neck, so it is quite possible.
My corrections in red.
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Old 05-21-2013, 07:53 PM
 
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^^^ Charlotte is not 3x the population of Raleigh on the city level and the two are nearly equal on the metro level.
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