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Old 01-17-2018, 12:27 PM
 
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Nope. Midwest is what the Northwest territory was.

Kentucky used to be part of Virginia and is literally ONE state away from the Atlantic. LOL @ Kentucky being Midwest. Just stop
WV used to be part of Virginia, but Kentucky wasn't part of Virginia the state. It was at times part of the land claimed by colonial Virginia, but the same was true for a huge portion of the current US, including most of the midwest and some areas west like Kentucky but also extending all the way to the Pacific!
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Old 01-17-2018, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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Political conservatism is part of the Midwest identity in the rural areas. This isn't New England. Cincinnati and St. Louis may be a bit conservative but so is Indy. Conservatism does not make anything Southern. People need to stop calling conservative Midwest metros as Southern. Southern is a culture. Cincinnati and St. Louis are not culturally Southern so please stop grouping them with the South. If you think conservative = Southern then I guess Betsy DeVos is a Southern girl.
And Michele Bachmann for that matter.
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Old 01-17-2018, 01:28 PM
 
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WV used to be part of Virginia, but Kentucky wasn't part of Virginia the state. It was at times part of the land claimed by colonial Virginia, but the same was true for a huge portion of the current US, including most of the midwest and some areas west like Kentucky but also extending all the way to the Pacific!
Fair but Kentucky wasn't part of the Northwest territory which the modern Midwest came from. Kentucky also doesn't have the cultural ties to the area. Call it not Southern but it definitely isn't Midwestern even if small areas of the state identify with the Midwest.
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Old 01-17-2018, 01:35 PM
 
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If we are going to take states out of the Midwest, I suppose anything in the Plains could be put into the Western region. Once ranching > farming then IMO it is no longer culturally Midwestern.

Maybe the Midwest ends at Kansas City and Kansas itself and other similar Plains states are transitional between Midwestern and Western.

Kind of how some regions of Ohio are somewhat like Pennsylvania.
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Old 01-17-2018, 01:47 PM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Midwest: Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin. Basically the old Rust Belt. It has a strong agricultural bent but the economic lifeblood was industry given advantages conferred by the Great Lakes.

Plains: Kansas, Iowa, Minnesota (transitional), Missouri (transitional), Nebraska, North Dakota, South Dakota. I consider these farming states with wide expanses and little history of industry outside of a few select cities (Duluth, Minneapolis, Saint Louis).

Midwest + Plains = Heartland.
Don't forget Omaha; meatpacking (agricultural, yes, but an industrial application); insurance; banking, etc.
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Old 01-17-2018, 03:24 PM
 
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Nope. Midwest is what the Northwest territory was.
The word “Midwest” was invented to describe the part of the west that wasn’t the Northwest or the Southwest. The states included in “What the Northwest territory was” adopted the term later to try to market themselves to easterners and immigrants. It’s Kansas and Nebraska and everybody else is a Johnny-come-lately.
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Old 01-17-2018, 03:30 PM
 
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Fair but Kentucky wasn't part of the Northwest territory which the modern Midwest came from.
Again, you are wrong here. The Midwest did not “come from”the Northwest territory. It’s a term invented to describe a region that was, by definition, not part of the Northwest. It’s described the middle belt of territories between the NW and the southwest.
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Old 01-17-2018, 03:36 PM
 
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If we are going to take states out of the Midwest, I suppose anything in the Plains could be put into the Western region. Once ranching > farming then IMO it is no longer culturally Midwestern.

Maybe the Midwest ends at Kansas City and Kansas itself and other similar Plains states are transitional between Midwestern and Western.
Kansas has 3 times as much farmland as pasture.
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Old 01-17-2018, 03:39 PM
 
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Kansas City's historical rep may be that of a cowtown, but it too had significant industry: it was home to Missouri's only steel mill and the site of the first branch assembly plant built by a Detroit automaker; in the 1960s, it was second only to Detroit in motor vehicle (car and truck) production and third behind Detroit and St. Louis in car production.
KC still is the second biggest auto manufacturing hub in the US. And its “cowtown” rep is industrial, too. It was a slaughterhouse town, just like Cincy for pork and Chicago for everything with hooves.
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Old 01-17-2018, 03:40 PM
 
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As a Kentuckian, I would not consider any part of KY to be 100% Midwestern and I would consider the state in general to be part of the Upper or Upland South, along with Arkansas, Tennessee, West Virginia, Virginia, and even southern Missouri and the Boothill. There are parts of KY like portions of Louisville and far N KY across from Cincinnati that have some Midwestern influence due to German Ancestry, but it isn't enough to offset the southern influence.

- Missouri is a state that I can't figure out. I consider areas from Joplin to Rolla to Perryville and points south to be part of the Upland-South. Missouri has a higher Baptist population versus other states in the Midwest and was a Border State in the Civil War, which makes me wary of calling it a full-on Midwestern state. The landscape does get closer to Iowa and Central IL as one gets north of I-70. I think a Midwest-South hybrid is the way to go.

- Ilinois, Indiana, and Ohio are states I consider to be solidly Midwestern. The southern parts have some southern influence (especially the Eygpt area of S IL), but once you get near and especially along and north of US 50 that goes away.

- Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota, and Wisconsin are solidly Midwestern to me.

- I do consider The Dakotas, Nebraska, and Kansas to be Midwestern because the Census says so and people tend to refer to them as such, but I don't know much about the culture and feel of those so I won't go into any further detail about those states.

- Oklahoma is another tough hybrid state like Missouri except with perhaps some western influence along with the southern and midwestern influence.
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