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Old 01-23-2018, 02:45 PM
 
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I have family and friends in PA, south and west of Williamsport (very much getting into central PA at that point). I know the area fairly well. They are not southerners, people they know are not southerners. They only sound southern if you've lived every day of your life in Boston, to which even Michigan sounds like the deep south (hyperbole acknowledged and intended).

Appalachian culture is not monolithic, either. There is a northern version, a southern version, and even a Canadian version (if you want to deeply debate about that I have some hearty New-Brunswickers to introduce you too). The southern variety just happens to be the most famous. Even then the culture can vary between counties and towns. West Virginia alone hosts at least three distinct cultural varieties.

It appears to me that you could not answer my challenge, though.

I don't care if you want PA and Ohio to be southern, you have to prove it if you're going to boast it.

For your convenience I will copy paste my question for you to likely ignore once again:

Name me at least one thing you find in those two northern states (Oh/PA) that is exclusively southern. Something you cannot find anywhere else in the north or the west.

This could be my fault in poor wording however, allow me to reword it as a more obvious inquiry.

What exclusively southern staple (not southern-similar) can you find in Ohio and Pennsylvania that cannot be found anywhere else in the northern or western United States, excluding the southern extremities of Illinois and Missouri for the simplicity of argument?

What is your definitive and demonstrable proof that Ohio and PA have factually solid southern traits that cannot be explained away as mere similarities, nor found in other non-southern states?

For ease of definition, let us use the former Confederacy as our guide to the south in this exploration.

Please, do tell me what makes counties in Ohio and Pennsylvania definitively part of the American south.

Forgive me for being a tad aggressive, I am tiring of hearing this particular claim argued but never proven by those on your side of the issue. It's time. Make your case, please.

On that note; I can agree that (as with many border states) areas in PA and Ohio have been influenced by their southern neighbors much in the same way that those neighbors have been influenced by the north in turn. This, however, a place southern does not make.
Agree with everything but the whole "Michigan sounds Deep South" was you going off the deep end.
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Old 01-25-2018, 01:53 AM
 
Location: Appalachian New York, Formerly Louisiana
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Agree with everything but the whole "Michigan sounds Deep South" was you going off the deep end.
Hence my self acknowledged use of hyperbole.
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Old 01-25-2018, 09:22 AM
 
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Hence my self acknowledged use of hyperbole.
Also lots of Michigan is further North than Massachusetts. I remember when I lived in Grand Rapids and we all laughed at how Boston handled snow in 2015. Inb4 biggest snowstorm copes
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