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Old 05-27-2013, 12:10 AM
 
Location: Upper West Side, Manhattan, NYC
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Just a reminder that Madison is almost three times bigger than your specified maximum population at 600k people. If you're willing to go bigger than 250k, add to your list Ann Arbor, MI; Des Moines, IA; Syracuse, NY; Lincoln, NE; Lansing, MI; and Omaha, NE. All between 300k and 900k and all have similar vibes to Madison. Ann Arbor, Des Moines, and Omaha are especially similar.
You are incorrect. The population of Madison as of the the official 2010 census is 233,209. You are mixing up MSA and city populations.

* Omaha, NE | City = 408,958
* Lincoln, NE | City = 258,359
* Madison, WI | City = 233,209
* Des Moines, IA | City = 203,433
* Syracuse | City = 145,170
* Lansing, MI | 114,297
* Ann Arbor | City = 113,934

I am very familiar with most of these areas. I lived near Des Moines for 4.5 years and I would never go back there. The metro area is spread out and almost everything involves a car...it feels like a city of 200,000 as it is, not 600,000 like the metro is. Most of it is very suburban-esque. IMO the best cities out of these are Madison and Ann Arbor for someone in their mid 20s.

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Old 05-27-2013, 09:44 AM
 
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You are incorrect. The population of Madison as of the the official 2010 census is 233,209. You are mixing up MSA and city populations.

* Omaha, NE | City = 408,958
* Lincoln, NE | City = 258,359
* Madison, WI | City = 233,209
* Des Moines, IA | City = 203,433
* Syracuse | City = 145,170
* Lansing, MI | 114,297
* Ann Arbor | City = 113,934

I am very familiar with most of these areas. I lived near Des Moines for 4.5 years and I would never go back there. The metro area is spread out and almost everything involves a car...it feels like a city of 200,000 as it is, not 600,000 like the metro is. Most of it is very suburban-esque. IMO the best cities out of these are Madison and Ann Arbor for someone in their mid 20s.
Lansing may be a sleeper because while Lansing has about 114,000; adjacent East Lansing adds another 50,000 or so and both have their trendy areas(Old Town in Lansing and Downtown East Lansing). It is only an hour or so west of Detroit too. It actually has a good Bus system as well(CATA).

Interestingly, Syracuse has the second biggest metro on that list and may have the best access to all of the outdoor activities the OP is looking for. If it matters, it also may be the most culturally diverse city on that list.
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Old 05-27-2013, 04:37 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis
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You are incorrect. The population of Madison as of the the official 2010 census is 233,209. You are mixing up MSA and city populations.

* Omaha, NE | City = 408,958
* Lincoln, NE | City = 258,359
* Madison, WI | City = 233,209
* Des Moines, IA | City = 203,433
* Syracuse | City = 145,170
* Lansing, MI | 114,297
* Ann Arbor | City = 113,934

I am very familiar with most of these areas. I lived near Des Moines for 4.5 years and I would never go back there. The metro area is spread out and almost everything involves a car...it feels like a city of 200,000 as it is, not 600,000 like the metro is. Most of it is very suburban-esque. IMO the best cities out of these are Madison and Ann Arbor for someone in their mid 20s.
No. Just.... no.
First of all, I'm not mixing up anything, I'm giving you information that is actually relevant. City population has nothing to do with size, or anything else. Way way way too many people at city-data somehow don't understand this. Did you know that the city of Omaha is bigger than Miami and Minneapolis?

Omaha: 890,000
Lincoln: 310,000
Madison: 620,000
Des Moines: 590,000
Syracuse: 660,000
Lansing: 470,000
Ann Arbor: 350,000

Part two, you must have lived in Des Moines a LONG time ago, because it hasn't been anything like that for at least a decade. It's 2013 now and everybody is loving Des Moines. Look it up. Come visit. The only area that's "spread out" at all is the far western suburbs, which is the case for pretty much every city in the country. It's exploding in population, especially downtown, it has a giant and diverse restaurant scene, a thriving arts community, and a growing sense of identity and community, and its economy is among the very best in North America. And all the same goes for Omaha. Just because it's not a college town doesn't mean there's no urbanity or vitality.
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Old 05-27-2013, 08:32 PM
 
Location: Upper West Side, Manhattan, NYC
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Part two, you must have lived in Des Moines a LONG time ago, because it hasn't been anything like that for at least a decade. It's 2013 now and everybody is loving Des Moines. Look it up. Come visit. The only area that's "spread out" at all is the far western suburbs, which is the case for pretty much every city in the country. It's exploding in population, especially downtown, it has a giant and diverse restaurant scene, a thriving arts community, and a growing sense of identity and community, and its economy is among the very best in North America. And all the same goes for Omaha. Just because it's not a college town doesn't mean there's no urbanity or vitality.
I lived near Des Moines as close as five years ago and visit three times a year at least since then. No, it does not feel that big, at all. Last time I was there was six months ago for a week, and before that it was 3 months prior, and 2 months prior to that.

Minus a few areas, Des Moines is not that happening. I also live in Downtown Chicago, so I am spoiled. For someone from a smaller area, sure Des Moines may be awesome and what not, but honestly? No...just no. It is a stable city and area, but it is not something you go to. Hell, even West Des Moines is more enjoyable nightlife wise in some areas than Des Moines sometimes.

For the OP it may work out fine, who knows. It's not a TERRIBLE city but it's not one I would look to move to if I were young and single. Already done that before...it's a great area for families, but there are better "young, single person" cities out there.
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