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Old 11-04-2007, 06:21 PM
 
Location: Papillion
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Omaha - Lack of vision and conservative nature of local politicians.

That is all changing however with 3-4 billion in downtown development and urban infill projects.

What does the conservative nature of the local politicians ahvee to do with a city growing or not? Not sure I understand that connection.
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Old 11-05-2007, 08:20 AM
 
Location: Omaha, Ne
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What does the conservative nature of the local politicians ahvee to do with a city growing or not? Not sure I understand that connection.
It's the "we can do without that" mentality that suppresses new ideas for economic expansion. I think that is what has kept young people from being drawn to Omaha.

Ultra conservative governments often times pass up great opportunities to expand it's economy. I'm not saying that is completely the case right now but it had been pre-Hal Daub era.

I think the new baseball stadium downtown is a perfect example.
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Old 11-05-2007, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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I agree that political conservatism lacks that drive and progressive attitude, mainly because it is based on a CONSERVATIVE foundation.

Conservative = "resistance to change"

Cities need progressive, visionary, non-corrupt governments to progress and grow. They need to stop focusing on such micro issues, where if they focused on bigger picture problems, the micro problems would eventually be fixed. City leaders need to be well-travelled, well-educated, well-rounded people. How can you make kansas city grow into a worldy city if you've never seen the world?

Now the argument of being "conservative" means resistance to change economic growth and city development is another argument. But, how a city cut the declining patterns and do a 180 when the city leaders have a conservative mentality? Because what will be required to do so is drastic change...
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Old 11-05-2007, 02:01 PM
 
Location: Papillion
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Conservative = "resistance to change"

Cities need progressive, visionary, non-corrupt governments to progress and grow. They need to stop focusing on such micro issues, where if they focused on bigger picture problems, the micro problems would eventually be fixed. City leaders need to be well-travelled, well-educated, well-rounded people. How can you make kansas city grow into a worldy city if you've never seen the world?

Those are real leaps to the definition of conservative. Many conservatives will lead the charge on change, they just don't want government to have to do it every step of the way. The free market place has in many cases has lead the change with conservatives directly supporting it.

I also don't see where you make the time of conservative leaders not being well-traveled, well-educated, well-rounded people. That's a very illogical part of your argument.
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Old 11-05-2007, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Papillion
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It's the "we can do without that" mentality that suppresses new ideas for economic expansion. I think that is what has kept young people from being drawn to Omaha.

Ultra conservative governments often times pass up great opportunities to expand it's economy. I'm not saying that is completely the case right now but it had been pre-Hal Daub era.

I think the new baseball stadium downtown is a perfect example.
I will give you the pre-Hal Daub part of the argument.

The stadium I think is more emotional tie to Rosenblatt compounded with the general public fear of the unknown (how will we pay for it). But I think that task force that was just assigned should come out with some good alternative and the majority of those players would be considered conservative leaders (non-government, but leaders all the same)
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Old 11-05-2007, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Omaha, Ne
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I will give you the pre-Hal Daub part of the argument.

The stadium I think is more emotional tie to Rosenblatt compounded with the general public fear of the unknown (how will we pay for it). But I think that task force that was just assigned should come out with some good alternative and the majority of those players would be considered conservative leaders (non-government, but leaders all the same)
For what it's worth, Omahans won’t be paying for roughly 3/4ths of the stadium. The entertainment tax is to pay the remainder of the total cost(120-140Million) after a certain organization pays the majority.

Wouldn't you agree that making a sound fiscal decision should take precedence over an emotional tie?
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Old 11-05-2007, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Denver,Co
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I think too it comes down to the whole "if you build it, they will come" attitude has long since gone for many places now the saying is "when they come we may consider building it"
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Old 11-05-2007, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC (in my mind)
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Ultra conservative governments often times pass up great opportunities to expand it's economy. I'm not saying that is completely the case right now but it had been pre-Hal Daub era.

I think the new baseball stadium downtown is a perfect example.
That is exactly what has been the problem in Ft. Smith. The town government is pretty much run by the local Baptist church and it shows. Every time an opportunity arises for economic expansion, whether a manufacturing plant, theme park, shopping mall, sports complex, or casino it gets voted down unanimously. Back in the 90s, a Toyota plant and an IBM plant were proposed for the area, but the town government would not let it happen.
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