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Old 05-28-2013, 09:25 AM
 
Location: The Magnolia City
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Austin, Texas, baby.
I'm not sure $11/hr will get you very much coolness or urbanity without a roommate.
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Old 05-29-2013, 07:24 PM
 
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A lot of the cities that are being suggested are cheap and may have good urban bones but none of them have the same sort of creative communities that San Francisco and New York had before they went through wholesale gentrification. If you want that I think the best choices are Philly, Chicago, Minneapolis and Portland. Maybe those are the usual suspects, but it is because it is true. In terms of building large communities of creative types the other cities are still at the aspirational level (or gentrified past their prime like Seattle and Austin).
Is Austin gentrified past its prime moreso than Portland, OR?

I've actually lived in Minneapolis... it is an okay compromise.
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Old 05-30-2013, 05:49 AM
 
Location: Manhattan
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The "creme de la creme" in the Midwest would probably be Indianapolis, Columbus, Minneapolis and Chicago
In what world are Indianapolis and Columbus the "creme de la creme" of the Midwest? Those are probably the two most ignored cities in the Midwest.

Anyways...on 11 bucks an hour, I'd definitely skip the super expensive urban cities like NYC, SF, Boston, DC, and LA. I'd also probably skip Chicago, Seattle, Philly, and probably even Baltimore as well. You're not going to have enough money to really enjoy these cities on that salary unless you're in a not so exciting neighborhood and in a sort of crappy apartment.

With that salary, I think that Pittsburgh would be a good deal. It's probably the cheapest city that offers a pretty cool, up and coming urban lifestyle. Portland, Minneapolis, Denver, New Orleans, and Austin are also great options.

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Old 05-30-2013, 08:02 AM
 
Location: Minneapolis (St. Louis Park)
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In what world are Indianapolis and Columbus the "creme de la creme" of the Midwest? Those are probably the two most ignored cities in the Midwest.

Anyways...on 11 bucks an hour, I'd definitely skip the super expensive urban cities like NYC, SF, Boston, DC, and LA. I'd also probably skip Chicago, Seattle, Philly, and probably even Baltimore as well. You're not going to have enough money to really enjoy these cities on that salary unless you're in a not so exciting neighborhood and in a sort of crappy apartment.

With that salary, I think that Pittsburgh would be a good deal. It's probably the cheapest city that offers a pretty cool, up and coming urban lifestyle. Portland, Minneapolis, Denver, New Orleans, and Austin are also great options.
In that they are the best places to live for both affordability and progressiveness/liberalism.
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Old 05-30-2013, 08:53 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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Like Joe 11 dollars an hour wants to live in New York City or San Francisco but can't swing any of it... where does Joe 11 dollars an hour move for that cool, urban lifestyle he seeks? i.e. What's the broke-ass backup choice to New York City or San Francisco?
If you make only 11 dollars an hour (without any other source of wealth or income), then you can't afford to live in any cool city that is anything like NYC or San Francisco.

Make more.
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Old 05-30-2013, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Minneapolis (St. Louis Park)
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I'm reaching now.....but I'm fairly certain in the OPs example that Joe 11 Dollars CAN'T make more. Otherwise, it's a great idea!
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Old 05-30-2013, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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In what world are Indianapolis and Columbus the "creme de la creme" of the Midwest? Those are probably the two most ignored cities in the Midwest.

Anyways...on 11 bucks an hour, I'd definitely skip the super expensive urban cities like NYC, SF, Boston, DC, and LA. I'd also probably skip Chicago, Seattle, Philly, and probably even Baltimore as well. You're not going to have enough money to really enjoy these cities on that salary unless you're in a not so exciting neighborhood and in a sort of crappy apartment.

With that salary, I think that Pittsburgh would be a good deal. It's probably the cheapest city that offers a pretty cool, up and coming urban lifestyle. Portland, Minneapolis, Denver, New Orleans, and Austin are also great options.

I agree with Indianapolis, but Columbus is a city with many things in common with Denver, Austin, and Portland. It has a good economy, if progressive, young/young professional, has a hip downtown area, and many great urban neighborhoods.

For a city with a low cost of living it is one of the most rare ones that also has a good economy and vibrant older neighborhoods. After DC and Boston Columbus' metro/city are growing faster than anywhere else in the midwest or NE. I would say Austin and Columbus have the best balance between a happening city and lower cost of living with a very strong economy.
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Old 05-30-2013, 12:17 PM
 
Location: North Idaho
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There is no way to live a cool hip lifestyle in any big city on $11 an hour. Even if you find a place to live and eat out of dumpsters, the cool hip things to do cost money.

It costs money to sit in the cool hip coffee shop. It costs money to pay the cover charge and buy the 2 required drinks so you can listen to the cool hip jazz artist. You are expected to buy a cup of coffee at the cool hip poetry reading.

You can be green and ride the bus and not own a car, but the bus is not free. If you show up at a potluck (which is probably not cool and hip), you are expected to bring food. Or bring beer or a bottle of wine to a party.

Without money, you are just bicycling or walking around the outer edge, looking in.
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Old 05-30-2013, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Milwaukee
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Interesting that you think Milwaukee is becoming progressive. It's the only large city in the country to have had 3 socialist mayors.
Yeah, I thought his whole list was bizarre, but that was the weirdest comment. Columbus and Indy also shouldn't be near the top of a list for dense urban living comparable to NYC/San Fran like the OP asked in the first place.

You can swing metro living in most Midwestern cities at $11 an hour no problem, but you would need a roommate (or several) and you would probably want to live in a transition area. In Milwaukee, lots of people live cheaply in the Riverwest neighborhood, which is cheap and funky and whatever, but also far more dangerous than areas that are slightly more expensive. Same with 5th Ward. You can also get good deals on rent on the East Side, Bayview and 3rd Ward, but you would have to search a bit. All these neighborhoods are near-downtown or right off downtown. I know that Detroit, Cleveland and St Louis are similar in terms of all the above info.
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Old 05-30-2013, 03:15 PM
 
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There is no way to live a cool hip lifestyle in any big city on $11 an hour. Even if you find a place to live and eat out of dumpsters, the cool hip things to do cost money.
I lived in Las Vegas for seven years on probably less than that, all things considered, and I had a blast the entire time. Might not have been possible in New York, but it certainly was in Vegas.
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