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Old 04-26-2015, 01:06 PM
 
Location: IN
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The Missouri River isn't a good dividing line until you get to South Dakota. Omaha is west of the river and not western.
The western 1/2 of Nebraska is western, though.
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Old 04-26-2015, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Auburn, New York
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For me, the West begins where farms become dependent on irrigation to be profitable.

This marks a noticeable drop in population density, which affects the economy (less farming, more ranching and mining) and, oddly enough, people's worldviews (generally, Westerners are less community-focused, less religious, and more libertarian-minded than their Midwestern peers).
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Old 04-26-2015, 04:39 PM
 
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The western 1/2 of Nebraska is western, though.
Yes, it is.
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Old 04-26-2015, 05:38 PM
 
Location: Washington State desert
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I think the Ft. Worth expression comes from a much earlier time in U.S. history, when our country was not nearly populated in the west than it is today.

Also, Colorado is not one state away from the west coast. Utah/Nevada, then CA. Or Utah, Idaho, then OR. Or Utah, Idaho, WA. Or Utah, Wyoming, Idaho, then OR and WA. Everyone keeps forgetting Utah!

EDIT: If you include the 4 corners, (AZ, CO, UT, and NM) then I suppose you could make a case.
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Old 04-26-2015, 06:14 PM
 
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In general the English Colonial areas are absolutely Eastern, Spanish Areas the West, and the former French areas are questionable. There is definately a shift over the Eastern Continentauk divide, then again outside the immediate Mississippi Valley. The NHL got it down, Chicago, Dallas the West, and Pittsburgh East.

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Old 05-06-2015, 09:30 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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I think the states west of the Missouri river border (western Minnesota down to western Louisiana) are the beginning of the west. To call Texas anything but "Western" is silly. Texas is the ARCHETYPE of the American western image. Cowboys, wide open skies, grassy plains, dry deserts, cattle ranches. The parts of Texas that geographically resemble Louisiana and Mississippi with humidity, swamps and greenery is a small chunk compared to the mostly spacious and semi-arid geography of the state. I'm not exactly in the desert here, but there's evidence of being not too far away. Cacti grow sporadically. The geography is drier, there's less trees, there's that frontier feel.

Yea, there's southern accents here, but that doesn't make Texas more like Alabama than like New Mexico, at least not in geography, which is what truly matters when calling some place "the west." You hear similar accents up in Wyoming and Montana, but no one's calling them the SOUTH at all! Texas is the southwest, and not calling it southwest is like not calling Pennsylvania the northeast, imho.
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Old 05-06-2015, 09:38 PM
 
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I think the states west of the Missouri river border (western Minnesota down to western Louisiana) are the beginning of the west. To call Texas anything but "Western" is silly. Texas is the ARCHETYPE of the American western image. Cowboys, wide open skies, grassy plains, dry deserts, cattle ranches. The parts of Texas that geographically resemble Louisiana and Mississippi with humidity, swamps and greenery is a small chunk compared to the mostly spacious and semi-arid geography of the state. I'm not exactly in the desert here, but there's evidence of being not too far away. Cacti grow sporadically. The geography is drier, there's less trees, there's that frontier feel.

Yea, there's southern accents here, but that doesn't make Texas more like Alabama than like New Mexico, at least not in geography, which is what truly matters when calling some place "the west." You hear similar accents up in Wyoming and Montana, but no one's calling them the SOUTH at all! Texas is the southwest, and not calling it southwest is like not calling Pennsylvania the northeast, imho.
Texas is just another one of the South's diverse states. You may think that TX has nothing in common with AL, but what does NC or VA have in common with AL? Not much...all the states of each region have their own identity, and just because one is a bit different doesn't remove it from it's region. No one said that Texas has to be quintessentially southern to be part of the South.
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Old 05-06-2015, 09:42 PM
 
Location: Fayetteville, Arkansas via ATX
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The west begins a few blocks west of downtown Dallas.
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Old 05-07-2015, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Round Rock, Texas
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Texas is just another one of the South's diverse states. You may think that TX has nothing in common with AL, but what does NC or VA have in common with AL? Not much...all the states of each region have their own identity, and just because one is a bit different doesn't remove it from it's region. No one said that Texas has to be quintessentially southern to be part of the South.
Generally, Texas east of I-35 is "western/southern" - not including South Texas.

More particularly, east of Dallas & east/northeast of Bryan College Station it is southern.
East of Houston to Beaumont it is more Louisiana (which is different than southern).
West of I-35 is western "Texas-style".
South of New Braunfels it's Mexican/Tejano.
El Paso area is more like New Mexico western.

No other state as a whole is close to that cultural diversity. California & Florida are close though.

But hey, JMO.
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Old 05-07-2015, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Miami Beach, FL/Tokyo, Japan
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Texas is just another one of the South's diverse states. You may think that TX has nothing in common with AL, but what does NC or VA have in common with AL? Not much...all the states of each region have their own identity, and just because one is a bit different doesn't remove it from it's region. No one said that Texas has to be quintessentially southern to be part of the South.
Texas in many ways is a transition state. More southern than New Mexico, and much more western than Louisiana. I lived in Texas for a year, and on top of that I lived in the more "southern" area (Houston). Even there it felt very western to me, how the city was constructed looked very western sun-beltish if this makes sense. The Mexicans and central Americans, the higher number of asians. Ofc, when I took trips to Austin or San Antonio I felt to be in the west full-stop. Not even having to talk about El Paso. Beaumont feels more like the south. Fort Worth more like the west. Dallas, in a similar bucket as Houston, indeterminate.

NC/VA feels like Alabama with more money and northern transplants. Texas doesn't, it feels different.
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