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Old 06-01-2013, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Upper East Side of Texas
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Where does the Midwest and South change into the West?
It has been said that Dallas is where the East ends & Fort Worth is where the West begins.

I find this to be very true.
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Old 06-01-2013, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Upper East Side of Texas
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It's a major college town and college towns are weird, so it has this quirkiness to it. What are the suburbs like, though?
Young & conservative.
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Old 06-01-2013, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Upper East Side of Texas
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San Antonio is probably the westernmost city I would consider truly Southern (because of its antebellum history).

Austin is weird in its own way. It doesn't really fit with either the South or the Southwest. I've always thought it had more of a west coast vibe but people from the west coast will staunchly disagree.
Austin hosts the South By Southwest music festival. Even its musical roots are Southern...Jazz, Soul, Rock, Country, etc.

The only thing West Coast about Austin are the people fleeing there from California who try to replicate their own little miniature version of California. Austin is still Texan at heart & that will never change no matter who moves there.
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Old 06-01-2013, 02:29 PM
 
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Sounds about right to me. Pretty much anything west of the Hill Country is definitely the West. Although some would argue that the west starts closer to the I-35 corridor.
To me(at least) it starts "feeling" like "the West" once you enter the Austin/San Antonio area. It starts feeling "western" well before you leave the Hill Country. To me, the Hill Country it's self feels "foreign" to anything you'd see in the Southeast, Upper South, Appalachian South, The Piedmont, The Deep South, or the Gulf South. BUT, having said that, the Hill Country, Austin, and SA still have Southern characteristics that separate it from anything you'd find in the Trans-Pecos Region of Texas(El Paso) and points West of there(NM, AZ, CA, NV).

The Black population in Austin and San Antonio are just as Southern as Blacks in Louisiana, Miss, Al, NC, SC, GA, etc, where as the Black pop.(from what I've heard) in states like NM, NV, and AZ are predominantly migrants from CA and take on Black Californian culture more so than Southern culture.
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Old 06-01-2013, 05:53 PM
 
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Austin is still Texan at heart & that will never change no matter who moves there.
Yeah, sure... that's what people said about northern Virginia staying "southern" back in the 1960's and 70's, when transplants started to flood in. It took a while, but...

Anyway, regarding the thread topic, you'll get different answers depending on which coast you poll. I don't think all that many west coasters would think of any part of Texas aside from the El Paso panhandle as "western," while those to the east of that region clearly do.
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Old 06-01-2013, 11:44 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC (in my mind)
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Austin right now is one of America's favorite cities. People from all over the country are moving there and it is becoming a true melting pot. It's hard to really include it in a debate on whether its western or Southern or what, because its a little bit of everything. I probably would have considered early 1990s Austin to be Southern though.

Concerning I-35, I would say that areas west of I-35 are western, but the I-35 corridor itself is not. Leaving Austin out of the debate, San Antonio, DFW, and Oklahoma City are all very Southern cities.
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Old 06-02-2013, 06:13 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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Concerning I-35, I would say that areas west of I-35 are western, but the I-35 corridor itself is not. Leaving Austin out of the debate, San Antonio, DFW, and Oklahoma City are all very Southern cities.
I would say that I-35 is where the transition starts occurring at least where I-35 is going due north and south.

And although I don't like the 100th meridian definition in terms of the fact that much of the great plains are east of it, I do think it is significant in that the terrain really starts tipping up about there as you enter the high plains.

Again, as another poster pointed out, this definition really rests on how you assign the plains region of the country. It really doesn't fit anything east of it or west of it in many ways.
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Old 06-02-2013, 11:32 AM
 
Location: IN
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100 degrees west longitude is a good dividing line further south in the Plains and the Missouri River is a good dividing line in the Dakotas.
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Old 06-02-2013, 11:56 AM
 
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It has been said that Dallas is where the East ends & Fort Worth is where the West begins.

I find this to be very true.
Exactly. And this was really the whole intent of the now famous Ft. Worth logo "Where the West Begins". It was never intended to mean "The South Stops Here". LOL And as you indicate, the fact the Dallas reply/retort was "Where the East Ends" bears this out...and they are important distinctions.

That is why I very much believe that when this question comes up ("where does the West begin"), it is important and relevant to explain/consider exactly what is being asked. As in (to repeat from an earlier post):

1. Does it mean where the West starts and the East ends? Or,

2. Where do the South and Midwest end and the West begin?

In so many ways, they are two different questions and considerations....
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Old 06-02-2013, 02:12 PM
 
Location: northern Vermont - previously NM, WA, & MA
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Exactly. And this was really the whole intent of the now famous Ft. Worth logo "Where the West Begins". It was never intended to mean "The South Stops Here". LOL And as you indicate, the fact the Dallas reply/retort was "Where the East Ends" bears this out...and they are important distinctions.

That is why I very much believe that when this question comes up ("where does the West begin"), it is important and relevant to explain/consider exactly what is being asked. As in (to repeat from an earlier post):

1. Does it mean where the West starts and the East ends? Or,

2. Where do the South and Midwest end and the West begin?

In so many ways, they are two different questions and considerations....
My guess would be some topographical and climactic changes. The West is often associated with frontiers and open horizons. To the West of Fort Worth the frontier begins and the big skies and horizons open up and it starts to get a bit more arid. To the east of Dallas are the piney forests, it gets greener and more humid.
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