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Old 05-30-2013, 08:29 PM
 
Location: SW Pennsylvania
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I know TV court shows aren't the best representation of people, but I've heard black defendants on People's Court from Buffalo, NY, and they had the northern cities vowel shift. However, it seems like the majority of blacks from Chicago do not have it.
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Old 05-30-2013, 11:32 PM
 
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Northern cities vowel shift - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

American Accent Undergoing Great Vowel Shift : NPR

Don't know if it could be called an accent, maybe the Great Lakes accent, but it's most noticeable in words like 'black' and 'bad.' Many in the region who have it don't really notice it, but people from elsewhere can often identify if someone is from Chicago, Cleveland, Detroit, Buffalo or Milwaukee by this accent.

I haven't visited the region, but it seems that it doesn't seem to be as widespread among other races as white people. I don't think it's a class thing, like the NY accent, where it's milder in the rich. Most urban blacks in Chicago etc have a kind of southern accent. What about say Asian or other non-whites who live in the Great Lakes?

Is the NCVS spreading to the younger generation of non-blacks?
Do you have any youtube videos that explain this? What isVowelShift?

How are they saying 'black' or 'bad ?
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Old 05-31-2013, 02:02 AM
 
Location: The western periphery of Terra Australis
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Do you have any youtube videos that explain this? What isVowelShift?

How are they saying 'black' or 'bad ?
Listen to the broadcast interview with Labov.
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Old 06-01-2013, 06:11 PM
 
Location: Lakewood OH
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I had to listen to myself say the "cat" vs "kee-at" example given by Wikipedia. I was born in Chicago and lived there for 32 years. For those 32 years I suppose I said kee-at. I definetly had the vowel shift.

But after 35 years in Portland OR, I know say "cat." I asked my friend and she verifed it. For a lot of people what they hear is what they speak. Even if they don't realize it.

My sister moved to LA about 15 years ago. She still has the vowel shift in her speech. It sounds odd to me now.
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Old 06-04-2013, 02:15 PM
 
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I had to listen to myself say the "cat" vs "kee-at" example given by Wikipedia. I was born in Chicago and lived there for 32 years. For those 32 years I suppose I said kee-at. I definetly had the vowel shift.

But after 35 years in Portland OR, I know say "cat." I asked my friend and she verifed it. For a lot of people what they hear is what they speak. Even if they don't realize it.

My sister moved to LA about 15 years ago. She still has the vowel shift in her speech. It sounds odd to me now.
The Vowel shift is only in the north and east cost?
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Old 06-04-2013, 02:16 PM
 
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Listen to the broadcast interview with Labov.
I was looking for some youtube videos of both vowel shift and non vowel shift.
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Old 06-04-2013, 02:56 PM
 
Location: Lakewood OH
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Do you have any youtube videos that explain this? What isVowelShift?

How are they saying 'black' or 'bad ?

Think of how actor John Goodman speaks. Pure Chicago with the "a" sounds. Or find an audio speech by former Mayor Richard J Daley.
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Old 06-04-2013, 07:18 PM
 
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Think of how actor John Goodman speaks. Pure Chicago with the "a" sounds. Or find an audio speech by former Mayor Richard J Daley.
Trouble is I don't really know what to listen to.


John Goodman "Flight" Interview! [HD] - YouTube


John Goodman speaks about MSU - YouTube


John Goodman on Jimmy Kimmel Live PART 1 - YouTube

May be you can point out words he saying with the Vowel Shift?
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Old 06-04-2013, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Shaw.
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The Vowel shift is only in the north and east cost?
Great Lakes, not East Coast. So, it goes to Rochester/Buffalo out east.
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Old 06-04-2013, 07:58 PM
 
Location: Lakewood OH
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Trouble is I don't really know what to listen to.

May be you can point out words he saying with the Vowel Shift?
Okay, I listened to the Jimmy Kimmel interviews and I'll be darned if he hasn't lost a large part of it. So I went back and found this.


Roseanne - John Goodman - A candid interview - YouTube


Much better because it's from his old "Roseanne" days.

Now listen for the words, Fresh, had, that, job, popular, has, Dan, and God. Pay attention the vowel sounds. The first vowel sound in the word popular. Then think of how you would say the words. If you had someone speak the difference for you, you would hear it.

Another person whose speech you can hear it in is the show Mike and Molly which takes place in Chicago is Lewis Mustillo who plays the role of Molly's stepdad. He is from Buffalo but they do the vowel shift sound too. So does Billy Guardino who plays Mike who I think is from Chicago.

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