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Old 07-26-2013, 03:26 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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Ummm, are you seriously comparing an OK bus service with multiple heavy rail systems with over 400 stations combined, many running 24 hours a day, plus a larger bus service. There is a difference between living easy w/o a car and not having a car but getting by.

BTW, Chicago is not in a decline, you guys down in Terxas must be watching too much of that Faux News
I don't think anyone from Texas said that though.
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Old 07-26-2013, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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I don't think Nairobi was trying to say Dallas is equal to Chicago. The point was made that a car is a requirement in Dallas, and that's not true. It is harder to get by without a car, but several people do it and make great use of the buses and trains. I mean, how do all the people who can't afford vehicles get around in Dallas? How do they get to work? It's pretty annoying when people bring up the same assumptions about Sunbelt cities all the time.

Also about Fox News: a LOT of Texans despise that channel. Seeing that Dallas County went blue in 2012, chances are they aren't following too much of what is said on that joke of a TV channel. Chicago is not on the decline, but it is in a lot of trouble.
Let's just say this. It is harder to live without a car in Dallas than Chicago because Chicago has a more dependable and extensive public transit system. In most parts of Dallas, a car is a necessity. In most parts of Chicago, a car is a luxury.
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Old 07-26-2013, 03:32 PM
 
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I don't think anyone from Texas said that though.
Actually someone did....
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Old 07-26-2013, 03:35 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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Actually someone did....
Someone did on this thread. Don't know if he's from Texas.
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Old 07-26-2013, 07:21 PM
 
Location: The Magnolia City
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Let's just say this. It is harder to live without a car in Dallas than Chicago because Chicago has a more dependable and extensive public transit system. In most parts of Dallas, a car is a necessity. In most parts of Chicago, a car is a luxury.
I don't think people understand the definitions of "need" or "necessity". I lived for years in one of the most sprawled parts of Houston proper without a car. If I needed one, I wouldn't be alive right now. I think the issue here is that we're just a society of lazies.

You have no idea how much money you can save while not owning a car in the nation's most affordable major cities. Is it easy? No, but it's also not impossible.
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Old 07-26-2013, 08:22 PM
 
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I have lived in both. Chicago


Weather - Chicago. Give me harsh winters over Satan's 6 month sauna any day of the week. Pollen from 3 major regions of the US create some of the worst allergy issues.
Rent - the same, but the apmts and flats in Chicago have more character and are more enjoyable than the cookie cutter complexes of Dallas
Topography - Chicago
Affordability - slight edge Chicago. electric bills in Texas get really high. You have to drive everywhere and gas is expensive.
Walkability - Chicago. You won't need a car. The nightlife is better, there is more to do. In Dallas, you will have a difficult time navigating the city without a car.
IIT over UTD.
I can understand the others, but topography?? That's where Chicago is dead last among cities.
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Old 07-26-2013, 08:30 PM
 
Location: Aurora, Colorado
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I can understand the others, but topography?? That's where Chicago is dead last among cities.
Well they do have Lake Michigan...but that's all. Other than that, Chicago is pretty bland for scenery.
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Old 07-26-2013, 08:32 PM
 
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Let's just say this. It is harder to live without a car in Dallas than Chicago because Chicago has a more dependable and extensive public transit system. In most parts of Dallas, a car is a necessity. In most parts of Chicago, a car is a luxury.
Not when you consider the ENTIRETY of the city of Chicago proper. The "easy to live without a car part of Chicago" while larger than perhaps any other city except NYC, and about equivalent to SF, Boston, and DC, is still less than half of Chicago proper. For example, most of the south side, you would MUCH better off if you had a car.
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Old 07-27-2013, 02:05 AM
 
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Well they do have Lake Michigan...but that's all. Other than that, Chicago is pretty bland for scenery.
I find this to be one of the odder beliefs people have about Chicago. First, of course is Lake Michigan, as you mentioned, the largest Lake (entirely) in the nation. Included in the metro area is a national park (the Indiana Dunes) with dozens of miles of beaches, and the third most diverse plant and animal populations of all US National parks, all sorts of micro-biomes.

Then there are the larger rivers such as the Fox (which actually has a "valley" of sorts, Des Plaines and countless smaller streams/brooks etc. Massive forest preserves housing coyotes, foxes, huge numbers of deer. The Cook County forest preserve system has over 68,000 acres of untouched nature, including wetlands, prairies, oak forests, savannahs. There are also areas such as the Chain of Lakes, as well as dozens (hundreds?) of smaller lakes, ponds etc. dotted all over the metro area.

The surrounding counties have also preserved large amounts of nature. Here is a list of just Cook County's forest system.

Trail systems

There are thirteen trail systems within the preserve district, they are the:

Arie Crown Forest trail system
Burnham Greenway trail system
Busse Woods bicycle trail
Centennial and I&M Canal trail system
Deer Grove trail system
Des Plaines trail system
Des Plaines River Trail follows the river through much of Cook County and Lake County.
North Branch trail system
Palos trail system
Poplar Creek trail system
Sag Valley trail system
Salt Creek trail system
Thorn Creek trail system
Tinley Creek trail system

Facilities by region
Region 1: Northwest Cook County

Poplar Creek Division

Includes: Spring Lake Preserve, Crabtree Preserve, Arthur L. Janura Preserve

Activity Areas Barrington Road Pond Beverly Lake Bluff Springs Fen Bode East Bode Lake Crabtree Nature Center Great Egret Family Picnic Area Old Stover Trailhead Penny Road Pond Poplar Creek Bicycle Lot Poplar Creek Equestrian Parking Poplar Creek Model Airplane Flying Field Shoe Factory Road Woods Spring Creek Valley Headwaters Spring Lake Nature Preserve

Trail Systems Crabtree Preserve (Paved) Poplar Creek (Paved) Poplar Creek (Unpaved) Spring Lake (Unpaved)
Region 2: Northwest Cook County

Northwest Division

Includes: Deer Grove Preserve, Jens Jensen Preserve, Paul Douglas Preserve, Ned Brown Preserve

Activity Areas Baker’s Lake Overlook Baker’s Lake Younghusband Prairie Busse Forest-Central Busse Forest-North Busse Forest-South Busse Forest-West Busse Forest Elk Pasture Busse Forest Main Dam Busse Lake Beisner Road Access Busse Lake Boating Center Camp Alphonse Camp Reinberg Deer Grove Deer Grove-East Deer Grove-West Deer Grove Lake Grassy Ridge Meadow Highland Woods Driving Range Highland Woods Golf Course Ned Brown Meadow Woodland Meadow

Trail Systems Busse Forest (Paved) Deer Grove (Paved) Deer Grove (Unpaved) Paul Douglas (Paved)
Region 3: North Cook County

Indian Boundary Division, Des Plaines Division

Includes: Seymour Simon Preserve

Activity Areas Allison Woods Axehead Lake Beck Lake Belleau Lake Big Bend Lake Blandings Grove Family Picnic Area Blue Beach Family Picnic Area Camp Baden Powell Camp Dan Beard Camp Ground Road Woods Camp Pine Woods Catherine Chevalier Woods Che-Che-Pin-Qua Woods Chippewa Woods Dam No. 1 Woods-East Dam No. 1 Woods-West Dam No. 2 Woods Dam No. 4 Woods-East Evans Field Fullerton Woods Fullerton Woods Family Picnic Area Harry H. Semrow Driving Range Indian Boundary Family Picnic Area Indian Boundary Golf Course Iroquois Woods Irving Park Road Canoe Landing Jerome Huppert Woods John E. Traeger Family Picnic Area Kloempken Prairie Lake Avenue Woods-East Lake Avenue Woods-West Lions Woods Massasauga Family Picnic Area Northwestern Woods Potawatomi Lake Potawatomi Woods River Bend Family Picnic Area River Trail Nature Center Robinson Homestead Family Picnic Area Robinson Woods-South Schiller Model Airplane Flying Field Schiller Playfield Schiller Pond Schiller Woods-East Schiller Woods-South Schiller Woods-West Sunset Bridge Meadow

Trail System Des Plaines (Unpaved)
Region 4: North Cook County

North Branch Division, Skokie Division

Includes: William N. Erickson Preserves, George F. Nixon Forest, Frank Bobrytzke Forest, Clayton F. Smith Preserves, Roman Pucinski Preserve

Activity Areas Billy Caldwell Golf Course Blue Star Memorial Woods Bunker Hill Caldwell Woods Calvin R. Sutker Grove Camp Adahi Camp Glenview Chick Evans Golf Course Chipilly Woods Edgebrook Golf Course Edgebrook Woods Erickson Woods Forest Glen Woods Forest Way Grove Glen Grove Equestrian Center Glenview Woods Harms Woods-Central Harms Woods-North Harms Woods-South Irene C. Hernandez Family Picnic Area LaBagh Woods Linne Woods Little House of Glencoe Mary Mix McDonald Woods Mathew Bieszczat–Volunteer Resource Center Miami Woods Perkins Woods St. Paul Woods Sidney Yates Flatwoods Skokie Lagoons Somme Nature Preserve Somme Prairie Grove Somme Woods Thaddeus S. “Ted” Lechowicz Woods Tower Road Tower Road Boat Launch Turnbull Woods Watersmeet Woods Wayside Woods Whealan Pool Aquatic Center

Special Activity Site Chicago Botanic Garden

Trail Systems North Branch (Paved) North Branch (Unpaved)
Region 5: West Cook County

Salt Creek Division

Activity Areas Andrew Toman Grove Bemis Woods-North Bemis Woods-South Brezina Woods Brookfield Woods Callahan Grove Cermak Family Aquatic Center Cermak Quarry Cermak Woods Cummings Square (General Headquarters) G.A.R. Woods Hal Tyrrell Trailside Museum LaGrange Park Woods Maywood Grove McCormick Woods Meadowlark Golf Course Miller Meadow-North Miller Meadow-South National Grove-North National Grove-South Ottawa Trail Woods-North Ottawa Trail Woods-South Plank Road Meadow Boat Launch Possum Hollow Woods Quercus Woods Family Picnic Area Salt Creek Woods Schuth’s Grove Silver Creek Family Picnic Area Stony Ford Canoe Landing Thatcher Woods Thatcher Woods Glen Thomas Jefferson Woods Twenty-Sixth Street Woods-East Twenty-Sixth Street Woods-West Westchester Woods White Eagle Woods-North White Eagle Woods-South Wolf Road Prairie Zoo Woods

Trail Systems Salt Creek (Paved) Salt Creek (Unpaved) Salt Creek Greenway (Paved)

Special Activity Sites Brookfield Zoo Chicago Portage National Historic Site
Region 6: Southwest Cook County

Salt Creek Division, Palos Division

Includes: Palos Preserves

Activity Areas Arie Crown Forest Belly Deep Slough Buffalo Woods-Central Buffalo Woods Family Picnic Area Buffalo Woods-North Buffalo Woods-South Bullfrog Lake Camp Kiwanis Equestrian Staging Area Columbia Woods Country Lane Woods Cranberry Slough Crawdad Slough Crooked Creek Woods Dan McMahon Woods Henry De Tonty Woods Hickory Hills Woods Hidden Pond Woods-East Hidden Pond Woods-West Joe’s Pond John Husar I&M Canal–Bicycle Trail Parking Lot Lake Ida Little Red Schoolhouse Nature Center Maple Lake Boating Center Maple Lake-East Maple Lake Maple Lake Overlook Morrill Meadow Palos Fen Paw Paw Woods Pioneer Woods Pulaski Woods Pulaski Woods-East Pulaski Woods-South–Mountain Bike Staging Area Red Gate Woods Saganashkee Slough-Central Saganashkee Slough-East Saganashkee Slough Boat Launch Spears Woods Sundown Meadow Theodore Stone Forest Tuma Lake White Oak Woods Willow Springs Woods Wolf Road Woods

Trail Systems Arie Crown (Unpaved) Centennial (Unpaved) John Husar I&M Canal (Paved) Palos (Unpaved)
Region 7: Southwest Cook County

Sag Valley Division

Includes: Black Partridge Preserve, Cap Sauer’s Preserve, John J. Duffy Preserve, Edward M. Sneed Forest

Activity Areas Bergman Slough Black Partridge Woods Cap Sauers Holding Cherry Hill Woods Forty Acre Woods Horsetail Lake McGinnis Slough McClaughrey Spring Woods Orland Grassland Orland Grove Paddock Woods Palos Park Woods-North Palos Park Woods-South Papoose Lake Sag Quarries Sagawau Environmental Learning Center Southland Volunteer Resource Center Swallow Cliff Woods-North Swallow Cliff Woods-South Tampier Greenway Family Picnic Area Tampier Lake Boating Center Tampier Lake-North Tampier Lake-West Teason’s Woods

Trail Systems Centennial (Unpaved) Sag Valley (Unpaved)
Region 8: South Cook County

Tinley Creek Division

Includes: South Green Belt Preserve

Activity Areas Arrowhead Lake Bachelor’s Grove Woods Bartel Grassland Bobolink Family Picnic Area Bremen Grove Bur Oak Woods Camp Falcon Camp Sullivan Carlson Springs Woods Catalina Grove Family Picnic Area Coopers Hawk Grove Family Picnic Area Elizabeth A. Conkey Forest-North Elizabeth A. Conkey Forest-South Flossmoor Road Bicycle Lot George W. Dunne National Driving Range George W. Dunne National Golf Course Goeselville Grove Family Picnic Area Midlothian Meadows Midlothian Reservoir Rubio Woods St. Mihiel Woods-East Tinley Creek Model Airplane Flying Field Tinley Creek Woods Turtlehead Lake Vollmer Road Grove Yankee Woods

Trail Systems Tinley Creek (Paved) Tinley Creek (Unpaved)
Region 9: Southeast Cook County

Calumet Division, Thorn Creek Division

Includes: Plum Creek Preserve

Activity Areas Beaubien Woods Beaubien Woods Boat Launch Brownell Woods Burnham Prairie Nature Preserve Burnham Woods Golf Course Calumet City Playfield Calumet City Prairie Calumet Woods Clayhole Woods Dan Ryan Woods-91st Street Dan Ryan Woods-Central Dan Ryan Woods-East Dan Ryan Woods-North Dan Ryan Woods-South Dan Ryan Woods-West Dixmoor Playfield Eggers Grove Flatfoot Lake Glenwood Woods-North Glenwood Woods-South Green Lake Family Aquatic Center Green Lake Woods Indian Hill Woods Joe Louis “The Champ” Golf Course Joe Orr Woods Jurgensen Woods Kickapoo Woods King’s Grove Lansing Woods Little Calumet Boat Launch Michael J. O’Malley Preserve North Creek Meadow Plum Creek Play Meadow Powderhorn Lake River Oaks Golf Course Sand Ridge Nature Center Sand Ridge Prairie Nature Preserve Sauk Lake Sauk Trail Woods-Central Sauk Trail Woods-East Sauk Trail Woods-North Sauk Trail Woods-South Schubert’s Woods Shabbona Woods Sweet Woods Thorn Creek Model Airplane Flying Field Thornton-Lansing Road–Nature Preserve (Zander Woods) Wampum Lake Wentworth Prairie Whistler Woods Woodrow Wilson Woods

Trail Systems Burnham Greenway (Paved) Major Taylor (Paved) Plum Creek (Unpaved) Thorn Creek (Paved) Thorn Creek (Unpaved)

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Old 07-27-2013, 02:16 AM
 
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Here's a good map that shows the extent of the forest preserve system (and note, this does not include any municipal parks/nature reserves, just the county system)...the purple and blue N-S linear reserves are the North Branch of the Chicago River and the Des Plaines River. These are the "highways" coyotes take when they visit the city.

http://fpdcc.com/downloads/maps/pdf/...ctwide_Map.pdf

It might amaze some people but you don't need mountains to find beauty in nature

a few sites from Cook County forest preserves

http://www.neiu.edu/~cwinsect/images/gmp_aug.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...usseWoods6.JPG
http://blog.cookcountygov.com/wp-con...-Woods_540.jpg
http://news.medill.northwestern.edu/...L_sidebar2.jpg
http://www.chicago3media.com/sites/d.../image/Pic.jpg
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/i...tFH49qoUVAWB_x
http://www.trbimg.com/img-51b8f7ba/t...12/600/600x366
http://blog.cookcountygov.com/wp-con...Landscape1.jpg
http://www.dailyherald.com/apps/pbcs...Q=70&&updated=
http://www.triblocal.com/deerfield/f...345_resize.jpg

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