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Old 06-04-2013, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Hollywood, CA
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Florida with Virginia and Texas west of the 35 a bit behind.
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Old 06-04-2013, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Lincoln, NE (via SW Virginia)
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The question really depends upon how the South is defined ala' the question. That is, does it mean the 11 Old Confederate States? Does it mean the Census Bureau definition -- which is the broadest -- today? Would it include Missouri which was counted as "Southern" for quite a while in historical definitions when referring to "slave-states."

Interesting question, but the OP will have to define it as to original intent.
Good point.

I'm not going to go with the census beureau's definition because it is a little too broad, IMO.


I think the 11 Confederate States is probably the best litmus test. I don't think many people these days consider any of the 11 Confederate State to NOT be Southern...just maybe different levels of "Southernness."
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Old 06-04-2013, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Appalachian New York, Formerly Louisiana
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By my definition of the South, Florida would be the least southern.
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Old 06-04-2013, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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Really? Virginia less Southern than Maryland and West Virginia?

There has to be a cutoff. At what point does a state stop being the Least Southern Southern state, and becomes a non-Southern state?
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Old 06-04-2013, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Lincoln, NE (via SW Virginia)
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I think TX and FL are the least Southern...but even those to me aren't particularly "Un-Southern." I say "Least" for these two because they have such large percentages of Hispanic immigrants and large percentages of transplants. The Hispanic influence in these states drive a lot of the states culture which to me detracts a bit from the historical Southern influence. Further the hispanic influence in these states are in heavily populated areas...especially Florida.

Behind these two I would put my home state of Virginia as third least Southern because of NOVA's massive influence. It's kind of a shame IMO that 7 or 8 of the states 100+ counties can detract so much from our 150 years of Southern culture but it certainly has as of late. VA would be followed I suppose by North Carolina because it's getting more and more transplants to the RDU and Charlotte areas.
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Old 06-04-2013, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Lincoln, NE (via SW Virginia)
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Really? Virginia less Southern than Maryland and West Virginia?

There has to be a cutoff. At what point does a state stop being the Least Southern Southern state, and becomes a non-Southern state?
11 Confederates States...of which Maryland and WV are not.
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Old 06-04-2013, 01:49 PM
 
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Good point.

I'm not going to go with the census beureau's definition because it is a little too broad, IMO.

I think the 11 Confederate States is probably the best litmus test. I don't think many people these days consider any of the 11 Confederate State to NOT be Southern...just maybe different levels of "Southernness."
Good point in turn, and I dare say, an almost original wording of the question. That is to say, limiting the query to only the states which unquestionably made up the Confederacy and are (dictionary definition for verification), considered to be "Dixie"!

As to my own answer, I would agree with what many have said in that the least is Florida. But noting of course that the Florida panhandle is as "Deep South" as bordering areas of south Alabama and Georgia.

Virginia and Texas would compete for second/third. Personally, IMHO, I would put Virginia second (predjudice on my part, perhaps? LOL), as East Texas is about as large as the entire state of Virginia and the former is very much the western most extension of the Deep/Old South. And even most parts of western Texas -- settled overwhelmingly by pioneers from the southeastern United States -- has a very strong Southern component to it (speech, religious patterns, etc).

I hasten to add, this is NOT to diminish Virginia's credential's in the least. It's claim to Confederate heroes and history is undisputed!

So in a nutshell? Here is my worthless 2-cent ranking as to least Southern Southern state:

1. Florida
2. Virginia
3. Texas

And? Feeling just a bit expansive at the moment, if we want to make it several more? Wellll....

4. Arkansas
5. North Carolina.
6. Tennessee

Oh hell, why not go to the end?....forgive me, y'all.... (myself in the head)

7. Louisiana
8. South Carolina
9. Georgia
10. Alabama
11. Mississippi

Braces for the duel challenges sure to come my way over this! LOL
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Old 06-04-2013, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Lincoln, NE (via SW Virginia)
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Good point in turn, and I dare say, an almost original wording of the question. That is to say, limiting the query to only the states which unquestionably made up the Confederacy and are (dictionary definition for verification), considered to be "Dixie"!

As to my own answer, I would agree with what many have said in that the least is Florida. But noting of course that the Florida panhandle is as "Deep South" as bordering areas of south Alabama and Georgia.

Virginia and Texas would compete for second/third. Personally, IMHO, I would put Virginia second (predjudice on my part, perhaps? LOL), as East Texas is about as large as the entire state of Virginia and the former is very much the western most extension of the Deep/Old South. And even most parts of western Texas -- settled overwhelmingly by pioneers from the southeastern United States -- has a very strong Southern component to it (speech, religious patterns, etc).

I hasten to add, this is NOT to diminish Virginia's credential's in the least. It's claim to Confederate heroes and history is undisputed!

So in a nutshell? Here is my worthless 2-cent ranking as to least Southern Southern state:

1. Florida
2. Virginia
3. Texas

And? Feeling just a bit expansive at the moment, if we want to make it several more? Wellll....

4. Arkansas
5. North Carolina.
6. Tennessee

Oh hell, why not go to the end?....forgive me, y'all.... (myself in the head)

7. Louisiana
8. South Carolina
9. Georgia
10. Alabama
11. Mississippi

Braces for the duel challenges sure to come my way over this! LOL
I think your list is pretty solid. Personally (and probably a by-product of prejudice as well) I would place VA as third and TX as second...I'm a homer..what can I say!

The only other change I would make is #3 and #4...I would swap out NC and Arkansas primarily on the higher number of transplants to North Cackalacky. The RDU metro carries heavy influence in the state and it is RIDDLED with transplants. I would say that the only part of Arkansas that is fairly "Un-Southern" to some degree may be some of the areas of NWA near Fayetteville but it isn't nearly as large an economic and cultural sway as the RDU area is to the state of NC.

Other than that I think the list is spot on.
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Old 06-04-2013, 02:42 PM
 
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I think your list is pretty solid. Personally (and probably a by-product of prejudice as well) I would place VA as third and TX as second...I'm a homer..what can I say!
LOL I guess we both are...obviously!

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The only other change I would make is #3 and #4...I would swap out NC and Arkansas primarily on the higher number of transplants to North Cackalacky. The RDU metro carries heavy influence in the state and it is RIDDLED with transplants. I would say that the only part of Arkansas that is fairly "Un-Southern" to some degree may be some of the areas of NWA near Fayetteville but it isn't nearly as large an economic and cultural sway as the RDU area is to the state of NC.
THAT is a very good point, and I struggled with it quite a bit myself. In fact, pretty much like I did with Texas and Virginia, earlier. It was close as hell. My reason for finally giving the #4 spot to Arkansas was about skin-of-teeth. LOL What tipped it a bit was that (IMHO), NC seems to advertise itself as a bit more "Old South" than does Arkansas...which contains a slightly (and I mean slightly) more "frontier western" flair to it (an inkling of Texas before actually getting there! LOL).

Like I mentioned, oh lord, it was a tough call!
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Old 06-04-2013, 03:09 PM
 
Location: BMORE!
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