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West Virginia is a lot like Kentucky. Why isn't Kentucky included in the south?
Southern West Virginia is like Eastern Kentucky, the Appalachian part. The western 2/3 of Kentucky including the Bluegrass region are VERY different than West Virginia and in some ways similar to central Virginia IMO. Also there is no city here in WV on the scale of Louisville. Kentucky overall is more Southern than WV, though WV is Southern in its southern half.
The northern part of West Virginia is very similar to western Pennsylvania. Morgantown and Wheeling are particularly northern cities. I would say Charleston, Huntington, Beckley, Princeton, and Bluefield are Southern cities. There is nothing Midwest about WV except maybe the Point Pleasant area which borders Ohio. When I think Midwest, I think the open farmland and rolling plains of the heartland (and cities like Kansas City and Omaha), very different than here. The quintessentially Midwestern states would be like Kansas, Nebraska, etc and there's absolutely no similarities between West Virginia and those places.
Texan culture is different than the South overall, especially outside of East Texas. Texans also identify as Texans first and foremost, and you see Texas flags everywhere, and relatively few Confederate flags. I live in southern West Virginia and there are far more Confederate flags here than in Texas. In fact I didn't see a single one in the Texas Panhandle and only 1 in the Dallas-Fort Worth area. The Texan accent is also very different than most southern accents, and Texas has a particularly high number of migrants both from the north and from foreign countries. Large swaths of Texas also are Southwestern, and many people tell me that San Antonio and South Texas and El Paso basically is the same as Mexico.
I think I read a couple of years ago that North Carolina was the most liberal of the souther states. Does that make it less Southern? I don't know. It depends on if the OP was asking for comparison based on politics or culture, in general.
Virginia is the most liberal, thanks to NOVA which is filled with northern transplant, federal government workers, and illegal aliens.
Florida is also more liberal due to illegal immigration and the northern migration. The retirees from the NY/NJ and Boston areas are especially yuppie elite, those from the Midwest and places like Pennsylvania less so. The kind of northerners who move to Georgia and South Carolina, for the most part tend to be conservative, middle class types seeking lower taxes and a more family friendly environment, though.
Virginia is the most liberal, thanks to NOVA which is filled with northern transplant, federal government workers, and illegal aliens.
Florida is also more liberal due to illegal immigration and the northern migration. The retirees from the NY/NJ and Boston areas are especially yuppie elite, those from the Midwest and places like Pennsylvania less so. The kind of northerners who move to Georgia and South Carolina, for the most part tend to be conservative, middle class types seeking lower taxes and a more family friendly environment, though.
Agreed, Nova houses everything you listed but its also more liberal due to having the most educated and wealthy within the state as well. I didnt want you to leave on the note of illegal immigrants as being the main reason anywhere is more liberal.
Virginia is the most liberal, thanks to NOVA which is filled with northern transplant, federal government workers, and illegal aliens.
Florida is also more liberal due to illegal immigration and the northern migration. The retirees from the NY/NJ and Boston areas are especially yuppie elite, those from the Midwest and places like Pennsylvania less so. The kind of northerners who move to Georgia and South Carolina, for the most part tend to be conservative, middle class types seeking lower taxes and a more family friendly environment, though.
More specifically, I'd say they are more libertarian--fiscally conservative, socially moderate/liberal.
Virginia is the most liberal, thanks to NOVA which is filled with northern transplant, federal government workers, and illegal aliens.
Florida is also more liberal due to illegal immigration and the northern migration. The retirees from the NY/NJ and Boston areas are especially yuppie elite, those from the Midwest and places like Pennsylvania less so. The kind of northerners who move to Georgia and South Carolina, for the most part tend to be conservative, middle class types seeking lower taxes and a more family friendly environment, though.
Care to prove that because Florida has a large Immigrant population but Illegals ( especially of Hispanic descent) aren't Mexicans.
The vast majority of Hispanics in Florida are of Cuban / Puerto Rican and South American descent which are Legal citizens and residents of the state.
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Southern West Virginia is like Eastern Kentucky, the Appalachian part. The western 2/3 of Kentucky including the Bluegrass region are VERY different than West Virginia and in some ways similar to central Virginia IMO. Also there is no city here in WV on the scale of Louisville. Kentucky overall is more Southern than WV, though WV is Southern in its southern half.
The northern part of West Virginia is very similar to western Pennsylvania. Morgantown and Wheeling are particularly northern cities. I would say Charleston, Huntington, Beckley, Princeton, and Bluefield are Southern cities. There is nothing Midwest about WV except maybe the Point Pleasant area which borders Ohio. When I think Midwest, I think the open farmland and rolling plains of the heartland (and cities like Kansas City and Omaha), very different than here. The quintessentially Midwestern states would be like Kansas, Nebraska, etc and there's absolutely no similarities between West Virginia and those places.
Huntington is a typically debated one. Sometimes called the northern most city of the south, other times called the southernmost city of the north. I consider it a gateway kind of place, myself.
I would also call Parkersburg fairly northern or at least Mid-landish.
On the note of open farmland, there are a few areas of WV that fit the bill. Some valleys along the Ohio river are actually pretty open and harbor farms. Few and far between though.
However, the far eastern panhandle is home to arguably the flattest and most open land in the whole state. While far too eastern to be lumped into the Midwest, it does bare a resemblance to places like the Ontario lowlands of NY; and the low plains of east central/northeastern Ohio.
Obviously each of those areas were recorded during different seasons and at varying camera quality, but they all bare similar "Midwestern" scenery and are all just on or near the edge of greater Appalachia.
My point being, saying there is absolutely zero similarities between WV and the image of the Midwest isn't entirely true.
Truthfully, I think calling Nebraska and Kansas the greatest example of the midwest as a whole is dishonest. Both states change quickly heading west and are part of the frontier strip; which is where the Midwest and the West meet.
Illinois, Wisconsin and Iowa are more the best examples of the Midwest overall. The three states cover each kind of territory you'll find in the region. Flat or rolling plains, forested low plains, hill country, great lake coasts, and high plains. As well as the culture from lower Midwest to the upper Midwest.
Where we live in the South, the more money you have which is usually the more educated, the more conservative a person is. My opinion of most liberals is that they are so dumb they don't even know to come inside when there is a thunder storm.
Where we live in the South, the more money you have which is usually the more educated, the more conservative a person is. My opinion of most liberals is that they are so dumb they don't even know to come inside when there is a thunder storm.
Biting at the chomp to make America great again huh?
Texan culture is different than the South overall, especially outside of East Texas. Texans also identify as Texans first and foremost, and you see Texas flags everywhere, and relatively few Confederate flags. I live in southern West Virginia and there are far more Confederate flags here than in Texas. In fact I didn't see a single one in the Texas Panhandle and only 1 in the Dallas-Fort Worth area. The Texan accent is also very different than most southern accents, and Texas has a particularly high number of migrants both from the north and from foreign countries. Large swaths of Texas also are Southwestern, and many people tell me that San Antonio and South Texas and El Paso basically is the same as Mexico.
I disagree. I don't see a difference between most of Texas and the rest of the South culturally, linguistically, and apart from Hispanics demographically.
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