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Old 07-11-2018, 09:04 AM
 
Location: Calera, AL
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To be honest, the only state that should be dark green on that map is Mississippi. Louisiana has too much of that "French Catholic" thing going on, and the northern 40% of Alabama is Baja Kentucky (not to mention Huntsville is basically Anywhere USA)


And while Texas is not uniformly Southern in culture, East Texas certainly is.
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Old 07-11-2018, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Nantahala National Forest, NC
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Old 07-11-2018, 09:25 AM
 
Location: Clemson, SC by way of Tyler,TX
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Where we live in the South, the more money you have which is usually the more educated, the more conservative a person is. My opinion of most liberals is that they are so dumb they don't even know to come inside when there is a thunder storm.
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Democrats used to be conservative, don't you know anything? Republicans used to be liberal. Sometime in the 20th century that changed. The South has always been conservative and always will be.
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THe South was NEVER liberal. It never has been. First you try to argue that there's no Deep South and try to deny South Carolina is part of it. Next you try to deny the South is the least impoverished region in the country when poverty rates prove otherwise...now what are you going to argue? That the South was more humane to blacks in pre-Civil War times than the North was? LBJ a racist LOL what's next?
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I'm so sick of people from Texas trying to act like they aren't southern/don't have southern roots. Dallas and Fort Worth are Southern cities, and once you get outside of the core it can get pretty country. I have a friend from Fort Worth and he calls himself "a southern gentleman". Come to Boston (or any major city in the north) and say Dallas isn't a southern city/doesn't have southern roots and you will be laughed at.
Exactly. It's nothing to be ashamed of.
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Old 07-11-2018, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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Yeah, those FDR Democrats in the south back in the day were conservatives.

If the two parties flipped, the GOP would have fiscally liberal voters. That isn't the case.
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Old 07-11-2018, 10:53 AM
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Location: Houston for Living/Los Angeles for Work
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Yeah, those FDR Democrats in the south back in the day were conservatives.

If the two parties flipped, the GOP would have fiscally liberal voters. That isn't the case.
They may not have completely flipped on economic issues, but they sure as hell did on social issues.
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Old 07-11-2018, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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They may not have completely flipped on economic issues, but they sure as hell did on social issues.
The modern social issues like abortion and gun control didn't emerge until 1960s or so.

Can you provide any evidence the GOP especially in the south was pro choice, for gun control, etc prior to the 1960s? I don't think that is the case.

I think tariffs has been the main issue that GOP has flipped around on over the decades.
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Old 07-11-2018, 10:57 AM
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Location: Houston for Living/Los Angeles for Work
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The modern social issues like abortion and gun control didn't emerge until 1960s or so.
You know Im talking about civil rights. The Democrats were against them and the Republicans were for them until the Southern Strategy and then it flipped. That is and was very, VERY much a social issue.

Social issues are not the same from generation to generation and its ridiculous to assume so.
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Old 07-11-2018, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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You know Im talking about civil rights. The Democrats were against them and the Republicans were for them until the Southern Strategy and then it flipped. That is and was very, VERY much a social issue.

Social issues are not the same from generation to generation and its ridiculous to assume so.
So GOP leaders and Democrat leaders, and their voters, got together and mutually agreed to switch?

Why don't I hear GOP politicians pushing for segregation if there was a big switch? Why did mostly white Republican voters elect a black man , Tim Scott , for senator in SC?

Why would the GOP decide to adopt a racist platform after popular support for segregation dwindled so much the Democratic party gave it up? That makes no sense.

The reason Democrats lose in south today has to do with their stance on issues that have nothing to do with race.
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Old 07-11-2018, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Clemson, SC by way of Tyler,TX
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You know Im talking about civil rights. The Democrats were against them and the Republicans were for them until the Southern Strategy and then it flipped. That is and was very, VERY much a social issue.

Social issues are not the same from generation to generation and its ridiculous to assume so.
You're better off talking to a wall, he doesn't/won't get it.
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Old 07-11-2018, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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You're better off talking to a wall, he doesn't/won't get it.
Says a guy who lives in Denver but claims to live in Clemson. I've noticed that the people who assert there was a big switch are all partisan Democrats like you.

You can't articulate why white racists would elect Tim Scott, a black man, in SC.
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