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I will also agree with that. I would give Virginia the slight edge and Florida is a very close second. NOVA is very close to DC and is not a very southern area any longer.
No, Maryland and Delaware have more of the classic Southern culture than Texas and Oklahoma because the latter two states didn't have the strong antebellum history preceding the Civil War, where as Maryland and Delaware did. Oklahoma was a Native American reservation, while Texas was its own country.
Just look at people like $mk8795, who insisted that Maryland is the south.
Please don't even bring up his name. God, he's essentially a broken record. Don't think he represents most people from MD (or DE or the DC area) either.
I still think that Texas is solidly part of the South - the only part associated with the Southwest is the El Paso region. Most Texans also believe they're still part of the South - can't speak for people in Oklahoma, though. Maryland and (to a lesser extent) Delaware do have pre-Civil War history, but the culture has changed significantly since then (not to mention, "tradition" is worthless in my eyes). Yes, there are still a few pockets of Southernness, but most people from Maryland and Delaware don't consider themselves Southern.
NOVA isn't all that different from suburban Atlanta...I'm not sure what some people think makes it non-southern. Development? Accents? An influx of outsiders? Lots of southern suburbs fit the same patterns.
The South is the only region that attracts such conversations...I've never heard a debate on which areas of the Midwest are no longer Midwestern or adamant posters frightened that their area may be included as part of the Northeast.
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of course they're southern, ever hear one of them hoosiers talk? fact is, they were outcasts, mountain people that floated to Indiana hanging on to whiskey barrels for dear life down the Ohio River
...No.
Indiana had southern transplants near Kentucky, yes, but the state was settled by people from New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and New York.
The only place in Indiana I hear southern accents is right down on the border. The rest sound Midwestern to me, especially from Indianapolis northward. They sound just like Michiganders.
If you think country culture and hick culture make a place southern, then color ninety percent of the country in Dixie, Buster.
Indiana had southern transplants near Kentucky, yes, but the state was settled by people from New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and New York.
The only place in Indiana I hear southern accents is right down on the border. The rest sound Midwestern to me, especially from Indianapolis northward. They sound just like Michiganders.
If you think country culture and hick culture make a place southern, then color ninety percent of the country in Dixie, Buster.
Good post, although I don't think that it matters where the settlers came from as to how an area is or isn't today. People that settled the South and the Northeast were from the same countries, and many of the people that settled places like NC came from PA and other Northeastern state.
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I'm not saying all of Louisiana is like New Orleans, but it has enough of an impact, in my opinion, to warrant it to be just slightly higher than its current position. Not South Florida high, of course - more like around Tennessee's level. Apologies if my word choice was a bit off.
I live here, believe me, it does not have that much of an impact outside of it's metro area.
Just over towards Baton Rouge the state becomes Acadiana. Totally different vibe from the New Orleans circle. The biggest impact it has had are the refugees from Katrina moving west.
People have an idea of New Orleans that isn't accurate at all. It is 2014 and people still think New Orleans has the culture it had in 1890.
I live here, believe me, it does not have that much of an impact outside of it's metro area.
Just over towards Baton Rouge the state becomes Acadiana. Totally different vibe from the New Orleans circle. The biggest impact it has had are the refugees from Katrina moving west.
People have an idea of New Orleans that isn't accurate at all. It is 2014 and people still think New Orleans has the culture it had in 1890.
I thought the French Quarter was full of beautiful vampires! Oh well...
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I thought the French Quarter was full of beautiful vampires! Oh well...
HAHA That part is true.
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Good post, although I don't think that it matters where the settlers came from as to how an area is or isn't today. People that settled the South and the Northeast were from the same countries, and many of the people that settled places like NC came from PA and other Northeastern state.
