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Like I said, Texas as a whole is the "Western South;" The southern culture blended with a frontier western essence, and with established hispanic influence. This culture can be seen in the Texas Triangle cities from Dallas to Austin to Houston to San Antonio. The southern culture that is in Texas isn't the Deep South (with the exception of the Piney Woods area in Deep East Texas, and even that is debatable).
Houston has a southern hip hop culture, and that is true; but that is only one of the numerous cultures that polymerize to make up the unique culture of Houston.
Texas has ENTIRE swaths of land DEVOID of ANY southern culture (Pecos Texas, South Texas, etc), and the areas that do have southern culture have said culture with a western twist. Because of that, you can't say that everywhere in Texas is the deep South.
Your friends are mistaken, the Carolinas are more Southern than Texas by a long shot; they had the antebellum culture Texas lacked.
You just repeated everything you said before. And nobody said *everywhere* in Texas was Deep South. People have only said that there are parts of Texas that are Deep South. And those statements were in direct response to this.
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Originally Posted by Yn0hTnA
The southern culture that is in Texas bears no resemblance to the "Deep South;"
Well, Texas has clearly fooled me. Because when I think of "Deep South," Pimp C, Bun B, Scarface, DJ Screw, Lil' Flip, Mike Jones and Paul Wall immediately come to mind. And that's about as "Deep South" as you can get imo.
You just repeated everything you said before. And nobody said *everywhere* in Texas was Deep South. People have only said that there are parts of Texas that are Deep South. And those statements were in direct response to this.
The only part of Texas that can be considered the Deep South is the little sliver of East Texas east of the Trinity River, especially around the Piney Woods; even there, the status of being in the Deep South is quite debatable.
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Originally Posted by BajanYankee
Well, Texas has clearly fooled me. Because when I think of "Deep South," Pimp C, Bun B, Scarface, DJ Screw, Lil' Flip, Mike Jones and Paul Wall immediately come to mind. And that's about as "Deep South" as you can get imo.
There's more things involved in classifying a place as Deep South than just the rap culture. Houston may have that rap culture, but such culture is only one of the many cultures that makes up the unique culture of Houston.
There's more things involved in classifying a place as Deep South than just the rap culture. Houston may have that rap culture, but such culture is only one of the many cultures that makes up the unique culture of Houston.
It's certainly more illuminating and authoritative than an anonymous C-D poster. Millions of people know UGK. Who knows Yn0hTnA?
Like I said, Texas as a whole is the "Western South;" The southern culture blended with a frontier western essence, and with established hispanic influence. This culture can be seen in the Texas Triangle cities from Dallas to Austin to Houston to San Antonio. The southern culture that is in Texas isn't the Deep South (with the exception of the Piney Woods area in Deep East Texas, and even that is debatable).
Houston has a southern hip hop culture, and that is true; but that is only one of the numerous cultures that polymerize to make up the unique culture of Houston.
Texas has ENTIRE swaths of land DEVOID of ANY southern culture (Pecos Texas, South Texas, etc), and the areas that do have southern culture have said culture with a western twist. Because of that, you can't say that everywhere in Texas is the deep South.
Your friends are mistaken, the Carolinas are more Southern than Texas by a long shot; they had the antebellum culture Texas lacked.
Then Houston is very much like every other urban area in the South - a diverse mix of cultures that is still southern as a whole. Houston is no more unique in that respect than New Orleans or Atlanta.
It's certainly more illuminating and authoritative than an anonymous C-D poster. Millions of people know UGK. Who knows Yn0hTnA?
Millions of people also know that Houston, and much of the rest of Texas, isn't in the Deep South.
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Then Houston is very much like every other urban area in the South - a diverse mix of cultures that is still southern as a whole. Houston is no more unique in that respect than New Orleans or Atlanta.
No, Houston has not only the Southern influence, it also has the distinct Texan/Tejano identity much like Austin, San Antonio and Dallas. Houston is part of the Texas Triangle, and yes, it is southern as a whole; but unlike Atlanta and New Orleans, Houston is in the western South, the type of South with a western essence.
Then Houston is very much like every other urban area in the South - a diverse mix of cultures that is still southern as a whole. Houston is no more unique in that respect than New Orleans or Atlanta.
No, Houston has not only the Southern influence, it also has the distinct Texan/Tejano identity much like Austin, San Antonio and Dallas. Houston is part of the Texas Triangle, and yes, it is southern as a whole; but unlike Atlanta and New Orleans, Houston is in the western South, the type of South with a western essence.
Millions of people also know that Houston, and much of the rest of Texas, isn't in the Deep South.
No, Houston has not only the Southern influence, it also has the distinct Texan/Tejano identity much like Austin, San Antonio and Dallas. Houston is part of the Texas Triangle, and yes, it is southern as a whole; but unlike Atlanta and New Orleans, Houston is in the western South, the type of South with a western essence.
You don't think that New Orleans, Atlanta, and other cities also have other cultural influences in addition to southern? They do...and like so many other people on city-data, it's obvious that you're afraid that your area is going to be associated with southern culture. It's an honor, not a strike against you. Own it.
You don't think that New Orleans, Atlanta, and other cities also have other cultural influences in addition to southern? They do...and like so many other people on city-data, it's obvious that you're afraid that your area is going to be associated with southern culture. It's an honor, not a strike against you. Own it.
I don't need to own anything; I am not from Texas, or any other Southern State; I just visited the region long enough to know what it the Deep South (i.e. Mississippi) and what isn't (Texas).
I never said Atlanta and New Orleans didn't have their own cultural influences; All I said was that they didn't have the western essence Houston shares with the fellow Texas Triangle cities of San Antonio, Austin, and Dallas.
When I think of the "Deep South," the first thing that comes to mind is cotton and lynchings. Texas had a lot of both. Texas trees indeed bore a lot of strange fruit. The states with the most lynchings between 1882 and 1968 were:
MS - 581
GA - 531 TX - 493
LA - 391
AL - 347
AR - 284
FL - 282
TN - 251
KY - 205
SC - 160
MO - 122
NC - 101
VA - 100
And it's not like Texas had more lynchings because there were so many more black people. Texas' black population didn't overtake South Carolina's until 1930 (most lynchings occurred towards the early part of the 20th Century).
Personally, I tend to think of these high-ranking states (MS, TX, AL, GA and LA) as the "Deep South."
Texas leads cotton production by a wide margin. Texas alone produces nearly as much cotton as Alabama, Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, North Carolina and Virginia combined.
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