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Old 06-09-2013, 06:48 PM
 
Location: Sweet Home...CHICAGO
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looks like i narrowed it down to chicago and atl now, but can't decide yet, visiting each would be good, but im not gon understand anything over a few days, not the same as living so to sum it up:
I like Chicago cuz its more urban with more amenities and culture, but might be still too big, and I like ATL cuz its somewhat cheaper, smaller so possibly more manageable and might have better nightlife for me. Most likely I would live in the suburbs, if that makes any difference. Like I said, things that concern me about ATL-much hotter (i hate heat/humidity) and southern culture might be more culture shock than Chicago. Which fits me best?
I'm telling you dude, Chicago will be your best bet. Atlanta doesn't offer the same amenities as NYC or Chicago and Atlanta's night life gets old very fast because it doesn't have as many offerings as the other two cities.
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Old 06-09-2013, 06:50 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Trust me, I know what I'm talking about. Rents in Atlanta are the same as Chicago in many places. I just looked at an apartment in the Atlanta area (it was also in the burbs) and it was over $1600 a month for a two bed room. You can get a 2 or 3 bedroom on the lake in Chicago for that price.

Again, places that are way cheaper than $1100 in Atlanta is in the ghetto or some unsafe neighborhood, I promise you that. And it is your average price if you want to live in a nice area in Atlanta, unless you are saying you are willing to live in a rough area in Atlanta to get cheap housing. I know that NYC is expensive but Chicago is cheaper than NYC and Atlanta isn't much cheaper than Chicago and the cost of housing in Atlanta is catching up to Chicago very quickly and has already caught up in many areas.

And remember you get what you pay for. A lot of this new housing here is cheap and very horribly built. They use the cheapest materials they can find then charge a lot for them. I had looked at a 2 bedroom condo for sale here and the doors were so flimsy you could punch through them, and the kitchen was an IKEA kitchen and the cheapest kitchen IKEA makes and they were charging $275k for that place. Most of this new construction in Atlanta gets their stuff from IKEA.

Housing costs may be cheaper in Atlanta but you are nickled and dimed for everything else. You have to pay to use public park facilities (such as pools and tennis courts), there are little to no free activities or events in the city, and the so-called amenities or attractions that are here are sub-par and over-priced. If you drive here (and you must own a car in Atlanta to get around), you have to pay a tax on your car every year, and the newer the car, the more you have to pay, and you could end up paying as much as $600 or more to renew your tags every year if you have a newer car. You also have to pay for emissions every time you renew your plates. Chicago doesn't have this annual tax and emissions is free in Illinois. You also have to be careful driving here because traffic violations are a criminal offense in Georgia and you can pay lots of money in fines if you get tickets and you can very easily lose your license here.

Also, I hope you are considering moving here with a job transfer and your NYC salary in tact. Jobs are very hard to get in Atlanta and the pay is very low. In the south, a low cost of living comes with low pay. Rent may be cheaper than NYC but it's not affordable when you are making a low salary. Some of my Chicago relatives moved here and went back to Chicago because they couldn't deal with the suburban commutes and minimum wage salaries they were making when they moved to the Atlanta area. They were making less than half the money they made in Chicago when they moved to Georgia.

**ETA: I am planning to leave Atlanta because there are no jobs here.

But hey, I've only lived in Atlanta for many years so I don't know what I'm talking about.
i still think 1100 is not accurate, but i dont know, maybe u have high standards, i lived in similar COL area as ATL and paid $600 in the burbs, it wasnt the greatest apt, but it was ok and wasnt in the ghetto, GA property taxes are much lower, that's a big factor alone
anyway, COL is not the main thing here for me, and for jobs, yes, its a valid point, but that could be the case with any city, nobody should move anywhere until they secure a good job there
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Old 06-09-2013, 06:53 PM
 
Location: NJ
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I'm telling you dude, Chicago will be your best bet. Atlanta doesn't offer the same amenities as NYC or Chicago and Atlanta's night life gets old very fast because it doesn't have as many offerings as the other two cities.
that's true, but the thing about it is, i dont know if im gon use all these amenities anyway because i dont even use them in nyc
the only things i like are hip hop nightclubs, strip clubs and concerts, i dont go to bars or too many restaurants or museums
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Old 06-09-2013, 07:02 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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Consider Cleveland among the list of cities you're looking at ... this city offers amazing and iconic cultural amenities
that will surprise you. There's diverse, lovely suburbs and distinctive city neighborhoods such as Ohio City, Tremont and
Collinwood - all provide diverse and unique housing options. Cleveland is a city that has the infrastructure and amenities to support 1 million citizens or more, as Cleveland was once a much more populated city. Now, the city proper is about 400,000
people and the metro area is just under 3 million inhabitants. Our extensive freeway system affords you with a very stress free commute to almost anywhere in the city in 25 minutes or less. The cost of living here is ridiculously affordable, especially when you take into consideration the level of top shelf amenities that are present here.
We have all four seasons, too - Summers are GORGEOUS, Autumn is breathtakingly beautiful. Spring is a delight and Winter's here are not nearly as bad as in some other places - Lake Erie actually keeps Cleveland a tad bit warmer than say Columbus which is two hours south of here.

I've lived in Denver, Charlotte, Los Angeles and a few other cities ... I have never had any regrets in coming back to live in Cleveland.
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Old 06-09-2013, 07:04 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Consider Cleveland among the list of cities you're looking at ... this city offers amazing and iconic cultural amenities
that will surprise you. There's diverse, lovely suburbs and distinctive city neighborhoods such as Ohio City, Tremont and
Collinwood - all provide diverse and unique housing options. Cleveland is a city that has the infrastructure and amenities to support 1 million citizens or more, as Cleveland was once a much more populated city. Now, the city proper is about 400,000
people and the metro area is just under 3 million inhabitants. Our extensive freeway system affords you with a very stress free commute to almost anywhere in the city in 25 minutes or less. The cost of living here is ridiculously affordable, especially when you take into consideration the level of top shelf amenities that are present here.
We have all four seasons, too - Summers are GORGEOUS, Autumn is breathtakingly beautiful. Spring is a delight and Winter's here are not nearly as bad as in some other places - Lake Erie actually keeps Cleveland a tad bit warmer than say Columbus which is two hours south of here.

I've lived in Denver, Charlotte, Los Angeles and a few other cities ... I have never had any regrets in coming back to live in Cleveland.
cleveland seems cool, but the only thing it's too overcast, i have issues when it comes to lack of sun
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Old 06-09-2013, 07:11 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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cleveland seems cool, but the only thing it's too overcast, i have issues when it comes to lack of sun

Ok, as far as I'm aware of, every city on this planet has clouds ... even Honolulu has cloudy days.
Chicago is in the midwest and so is Minneapolis ... both cities are just as cloudy as Cleveland.
I think your criteria is perhaps a bit too over the top ... I mean to say that disqualifying a city based
on a few cloudy days seems to be a bit absurd!


Everybody wants utopia, but no such place exists for any of us ... not even in Cleveland!
Still, based on the more relevant ingredients of your aforementioned criteria, Cleveland would more than fit the bill.

Best wishes to you!
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Old 06-09-2013, 07:19 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Ok, as far as I'm aware of, every city on this planet has clouds ... even Honolulu has cloudy days.
Chicago is in the midwest and so is Minneapolis ... both cities are just as cloudy as Cleveland.
I think your criteria is perhaps a bit too over the top ... I mean to say that disqualifying a city based
on a few cloudy days seems to be a bit absurd!


Everybody wants utopia, but no such place exists for any of us ... not even in Cleveland!
Still, based on the more relevant ingredients of your aforementioned criteria, Cleveland would more than fit the bill.

Best wishes to you!
its important to me because i lived in the pacific nw, which is also grey and always had SAD
chicago doesnt look as cloudy
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Old 06-09-2013, 08:39 PM
 
Location: Sweet Home...CHICAGO
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i still think 1100 is not accurate, but i dont know, maybe u have high standards, i lived in similar COL area as ATL and paid $600 in the burbs, it wasnt the greatest apt, but it was ok and wasnt in the ghetto, GA property taxes are much lower, that's a big factor alone
anyway, COL is not the main thing here for me, and for jobs, yes, its a valid point, but that could be the case with any city, nobody should move anywhere until they secure a good job there
It's not about my standards, that's just what the rent is here. I would never pay that much for a one bedroom apt in Atlanta because this place isn't worth it to me when I know I could live in Chicago for that price and I am shocked when I see rents that high here, again, because this place isn't worth it.

I'm not trying to debate with you. I actually live in Atlanta, I know what it's like to live here, how the job market is, and I have watched the rents go up and up; and its getting less cheap to live here, especially for what the jobs pay. Georgia's economy is still lagging behind in terms of recovery and it has been predicted that the jobs lost during the recession in Georgia will not be fully recovered for at least ten years. I have known many blacks with degrees and experience who have moved here ended up homeless for the inability to find or keep jobs in Atlanta (you could be hired and laid off very quickly here. This is also a right to work state and an employer can fired you for no reason at all). It's also common for people to get transferred here and get laid off very shortly thereafter.

But do whatever you choose. You asked for advice and as someone who has lived in both places and currently lives in Atlanta, I have given you the best information I can.

Good luck with where ever you choose to move.
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Old 06-09-2013, 08:41 PM
 
Location: Sweet Home...CHICAGO
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that's true, but the thing about it is, i dont know if im gon use all these amenities anyway because i dont even use them in nyc
the only things i like are hip hop nightclubs, strip clubs and concerts, i dont go to bars or too many restaurants or museums
Then Atlanta may be a better fit. All they listen to is hip hop here and there are plenty of strip clubs.

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Old 06-09-2013, 08:43 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis (St. Louis Park)
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Ok, as far as I'm aware of, every city on this planet has clouds ... even Honolulu has cloudy days.
Chicago is in the midwest and so is Minneapolis ... both cities are just as cloudy as Cleveland.
I think your criteria is perhaps a bit too over the top ... I mean to say that disqualifying a city based
on a few cloudy days seems to be a bit absurd!


Everybody wants utopia, but no such place exists for any of us ... not even in Cleveland!
Still, based on the more relevant ingredients of your aforementioned criteria, Cleveland would more than fit the bill.

Best wishes to you!
From Minneapolis, live in Cleveland now.....Cleveland is notably cloudier. Columbus may be worse though, so don't feel bad. In Minneapolis (and Chicago) 58% of the time it's sunny, whereas it's less than 50% in Cleveland.
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