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Old 06-13-2013, 11:41 AM
 
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They added a cool new thing to a plaza at the intersection of Rush, Wabash, and Chestnut. It's a triangular plaza that wasn't used well and it was half privatized, but it's still a public park. The middle there is a greenhouse that functions as a tea house and there's a bunch of outdoor seating. They have live music too. It actually, at least inside of that thing, feels a little like Germany or even Paris.

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This is right by my place too so I'm happy I also love the "Viagra Triangle" plaza at Bellevue, Rush, and State. Also feels a little like Italy in the summer.
Are these pictures of the Gold Coast you were talking about. In the google maps link you showed me I really like the Gold Coast
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Old 06-13-2013, 11:48 AM
 
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Runner,

I know you are visiting so you will see for yourself and make a more informed decision. I side a little more with Insane on the weather, as I think his point all along was that Chicago can get brutal. The averages might not be below zero, but I recall a few times where the windchill would be below zero for one to two weeks. I also remember that after those cold spells, when the temps got into the 20s and 30s, I'd walk down the street in a tshirt. You just get used to the cold (or at least I did) that 30 degree weather was HOT!

That said, I don't agree with anything else Insane had to say. Public transit is very extensive in Chicago. Although I must admit I think it's below average...almost always slow or delayed. And he/she clearly dislikes the urban lifestyle. I'm not sure if you have a car in DC or not, but you'd almost certainly want to get one for ATL or HOU. In Chicago you won't need it.
Yeah I'll just have to see for myself when I go. I understand you though it's been in the teens when I was walking around campus and when it hit the 40's it felt warm. Like I could walk around in shorts and a sweatshirt
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Old 06-13-2013, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Miami-Jax
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It depends on when you go and what mode. I ride the rail line every day, and while it can be delayed, it's usually almost right on time. The buses are the things you have to worry about, but in reality that's every city. Roads with traffic lights and other cars always create unpredictability no matter where you are in the world unless it's a BRT. The rail is usually on time though (obviously not always).

I believe last year there were 109 delays in the system. While that is not perfect, when you figure in for 365 days the amount of runs 8 rail lines make even per day, it's really not a big percentage of them.
I've always been harsh about Chicago's transit in discussion with my friends and that side of my opinion may have shown itself in my last post, so I want to reiterate that in the context of US transit systems, the EL is comprehensive and as Maro insists...fairly reliable. I don't mean to discourage its use!

But when I said it was almost always slow or delayed, I meant that based on my experience even when there's no delay, the train is soooo slow!! It's probably improved a bit by now, but when I lived there we'd hit all these sections of track where we'd just inch along.

This article from around the time that I moved away explains it: CTA Trains Pick Up Speed | NBC Chicago

Still, whenever I visit I continue to have the same impression. Each day I'm riding on the train and at least once the monitor beeps and the driver's voice comes on saying we're gonna have to wait for a minute. And I still experience plenty of stretches where we roll along at 5-10 mph. It all adds up to longer (but not unbearable imo) travel times.
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Old 06-13-2013, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Upper West Side, Manhattan, NYC
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I've always been harsh about Chicago's transit in discussion with my friends and that side of my opinion may have shown itself in my last post, so I want to reiterate that in the context of US transit systems, the EL is comprehensive and as Maro insists...fairly reliable. I don't mean to discourage its use!

But when I said it was almost always slow or delayed, I meant that based on my experience even when there's no delay, the train is soooo slow!! It's probably improved a bit by now, but when I lived there we'd hit all these sections of track where we'd just inch along.

This article from around the time that I moved away explains it: CTA Trains Pick Up Speed | NBC Chicago

Still, whenever I visit I continue to have the same impression. Each day I'm riding on the train and at least once the monitor beeps and the driver's voice comes on saying we're gonna have to wait for a minute. And I still experience plenty of stretches where we roll along at 5-10 mph. It all adds up to longer (but not unbearable imo) travel times.
I know what you mean and it really depends on when you go. If it's during a cubs game for example, that's going to happen. First reason is because so many people are on the trains and slow to get off, so it really delays the others. One of my biggest pet peeves when I'm coming home from work is actually the tourists who don't really know "how to ride the train." When it's packed and people are trying to get out, the people kind of stay there instead of getting outside of the train.

As I ride home from work for it all the time, it's not that bad usually. Part of the other reason are the tracks. Some are old and can't ride as fast on them as you should be able to. They're putting an end to that by replacing track and they have been. There was a huge grant given to them to do stuff like this.

Then there's also times when things need to be repaired on the tracks and the trains have to move slowly when people are in the middle of the tracks.
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Old 06-13-2013, 04:52 PM
 
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OP, listen to these stories of train hell that the others are describing about Chicago. Wouldn't you rather live in a place where you can take your own vehicles to your sporting venues? You wouldn't have to deal with delayed and overcrowded trains and buses.
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Old 06-13-2013, 09:41 PM
 
Location: Upper West Side, Manhattan, NYC
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Are these pictures of the Gold Coast you were talking about. In the google maps link you showed me I really like the Gold Coast
LOL the thing I love about neighborhoods is it depends on who you ask, but the general answer is yes, it's gold coast technically. Intersection of Chestnut, Rush, and Wabash if you are interested next time you're in town.

871 n wabash chicago, il - Google Maps
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Old 06-14-2013, 07:40 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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OP, listen to these stories of train hell that the others are describing about Chicago. Wouldn't you rather live in a place where you can take your own vehicles to your sporting venues? You wouldn't have to deal with delayed and overcrowded trains and buses.
Yep, just delays on congested and overcrowded freeways
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Old 06-14-2013, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Oak Park, IL
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Are these pictures of the Gold Coast you were talking about. In the google maps link you showed me I really like the Gold Coast
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OP, listen to these stories of train hell that the others are describing about Chicago. Wouldn't you rather live in a place where you can take your own vehicles to your sporting venues? You wouldn't have to deal with delayed and overcrowded trains and buses.
Its difficult if not impossible to have a neighborhood be both pedestrian friendly and automobile friendly. Pedestrian-friendly neighborhoods require high population density, narrow streets, wide sidewalks, and few curb-cuts. Automobile-friendly neighborhoods require wide streets and plenty of room for parking which crowds out buildings and pedestrians.
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Old 06-17-2013, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Miami-Jax
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As I ride home from work for it all the time, it's not that bad usually. Part of the other reason are the tracks. Some are old and can't ride as fast on them as you should be able to. They're putting an end to that by replacing track and they have been. There was a huge grant given to them to do stuff like this.

Then there's also times when things need to be repaired on the tracks and the trains have to move slowly when people are in the middle of the tracks.
Yep, that's exactly what I meant.

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OP, listen to these stories of train hell that the others are describing about Chicago. Wouldn't you rather live in a place where you can take your own vehicles to your sporting venues? You wouldn't have to deal with delayed and overcrowded trains and buses.
It's funny that two people can have such differing sentiments. And it's totally valid. Clearly Insane feels one way, but I for one would much rather have the option to ride the train (delays, overcrowding and all) than be forced to drive through a mess of traffic, shell out my dinner money to park, and still have to walk through a sea of more expensive parking lots to get to the stadium.
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Old 06-17-2013, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Upper West Side, Manhattan, NYC
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It's funny that two people can have such differing sentiments. And it's totally valid. Clearly Insane feels one way, but I for one would much rather have the option to ride the train (delays, overcrowding and all) than be forced to drive through a mess of traffic, shell out my dinner money to park, and still have to walk through a sea of more expensive parking lots to get to the stadium.
You also forgot the price of gas to get there.
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