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Old 01-29-2008, 07:05 AM
Location: Philadelphia,New Jersey, NYC!
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Originally Posted by DC's Finest View Post
Lower Manhattan is not lively unless you are talking about Tribeca, SOHO, Chinatown or the Village. Those are separate but vibrant neighborhoods. I personally think a lot of you have never been to NYC and have no idea about the city. You see a list and automatically throw it into the mix. Downtown LA is also weak.

don't forget the LES, Chelsea, Meat Packing District, etc.. I'd say maybe the financial district gets a little quiet after the work rush hour.

otherwise, i don't see another american city coming close to Lower Manhattan in regard to activity. maybe downtown Chicago (never been)??

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Old 01-29-2008, 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by darstar View Post
Every one has over looked the smaller places....... and rightly so , for the most part. The standard pat saying...." they roll up the streets after 10;00" , apply s to most lesser cities.
One exception............... Key West , in the Conch Republic.. I know , its not in the US , but , its close enough , I think. Only 90 miles from Cuba , and has a truly international flair, every day , every nite ,.and sometimes until morning light..........Key West Rocks !!

The only sub tropical city in North America, ( sorry Mexico , I mean out side of ). great drive down the causeway , lots of good food , drink , history ( many pirate's, past and present ) , and , no one who lives there takes anything seriously........ maybe the rest of us could take a lesson from that..........
You do realize that the "Conch Republic" is just a nickname?!?! Key West is in Florida, the last time I checked that was still 1 of the 50 states. When I flew there a couple years ago I didn't need a passport LOL.
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Old 01-29-2008, 08:35 AM
Location: Chicagoland
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Originally Posted by rnc76 View Post
You do realize that the "Conch Republic" is just a nickname?!?! Key West is in Florida, the last time I checked that was still 1 of the 50 states. When I flew there a couple years ago I didn't need a passport LOL.
LOL!!! This is so funny! I thought the same thing - Key West in the "Conch Republic" and not in the U.S. And it has a "truly international flare"??

I cannot stop laughing about this.... it made my day!
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Old 01-29-2008, 09:15 AM
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Location: New Albany, Indiana (Greater Louisville)
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Does Las Vegas even HAVE a downtown to speak of? The strip doesn't = downtown
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Old 01-29-2008, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by censusdata View Post
Does Las Vegas even HAVE a downtown to speak of? The strip doesn't = downtown
Downtown Las Vegas is centered on Fremont Street. It used to eclipse the Strip as the main gambling area. The Strip is actually outside city limits.
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Old 01-30-2008, 10:20 AM
Location: Maryland not Murlin
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Originally Posted by MobyLL View Post

7-15 any order
San Diego
New Orleans (maybe? Still? haven't been there since Katrina)
Las Vegas
Dude, Minneapolis' downtown is pretty dead for the size of the city.
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Old 02-11-2008, 02:16 PM
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The US has busy downtowns, but there are only a handfull that are truely livable, urban and crowded even during non work periods (from what I've seen).

New York
San Fran
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Old 07-03-2008, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by darstar View Post
San Antonio always comes to mind , when I think of the downtown area. A river runs thru it........as in the case of a lot of big cities , but , SA has a charm like no where else in that department.
Chicago , as well , has the Chicago river , along with , Lake Michigan , so , I think it would be a toss up there...........
Many years ago during the '70s and before, San Antonio had a bit of an inferiority complex. It had been the premier city of Texas at one time and then lost that pole position to both Dallas and Houston. Even then, it always had the Alamo and it always had the Spanish Colonial Missions of San Antonio, the largest collection of 18th century Spanish Missions anywhere in the country, ranged along the San Antonio River.

San Antonio sort of slept until 1965-67 when a group of citizens banded together and had the audacious idea to start a world's fair called Hemisfair68. Taken alone, Hemisfair lost money (but not too much), but it started a downtown renaissance that has gone on for forty years and shows no sign of stopping.

It turns out that while Houston and Dallas were tearing down everything of any historical value, San Antonio and its pioneering Conservation Society were saving very nearly everything of value. Where the other cities today realize that they have erased the past, San Antonio oozes with history and reclaimed buildings in what is surely becoming the greatest downtown in the entire southern tier of the country.

Many cities in this country have rivers that run through them, but no city has the Riverwalk as San Antonio has its Riverwalk. Other cities have copied this Riverwalk but none measure up in the quality of experience. Few realize that one of the reasons the Riverwalk is so successful is that it is not strictly a commercial enterprise - it has quiet park-like areas as well as intensely developed areas, but verywhere it is lined with historic buildings. It has hardly beern a static development. Begun in the 1930s as a WPA project under then-mayor Maverick, the major portions of it were finished in the Horseshoe Bend area just before the US entered World War II.

The original design work had been done earlier by a young architect by the name of Henry H. Hugman and was fancifully entitled "The Shops of Aragon and Castile" (or something close to that), and envisioned Venice-like canals with gondolas. Hugman presented his design - which he had done for free and completely on his own initiative - to City Council where it was well received but where, for lack of funding, it fell on ears deafened by empty pockets. Still, Hugman never received the acclaim that he so richly deserved in the years following his effort, but everyone now knows that he was the starting pistol that keeps on firing.

It should be acknowledged at this point that Hugman would not have had a river to project his ideas onto had it not been for the San Antonio Conservation Society (SACS). SACS was most instrumental in keeping the San Antonio River from being paved over and used as a meandering, linear parking lot, which businesses downtown claimed that they needed. The slogan most often heard was, "Don't Kill the Goose that Laid the Golden Egg". Considering that at the time, before there was a Riverwalk, the San Antonio River wa little more than an occasionally swampy drainage ditch, this was Far-sighted with a capital "F". So thank you, Conservation Society!

One of the reasons the San Antonio Riverwalk is so successful, some have theorized, is that it is about as wide as the main walkways in your average shopping mall. This means that one can see across it and watch people's faces and just plain sit and 'people watch', a favorite activity along the Riverwalk.

As part of Hemisfair 68, a new channel was cut to east and a new lagoon built as part of the Performing Arts Center and the new San Antonio Convention Center which were part of the Hemisfair development, both examples of the immediate and long-lasting benefits of the world's fair. During the 90s, a new channel was dug from the convention center channel to form yet another lagoon and turning basin to the north, which basin formed the centerpiece of Rivercenter Mall. During the 80's, as part of the San Antonio Hyatt development along the Horsoe Bend, another passage was cut to form the base of the Hyatt's Atrium at river level. The cut goes through the Hyatt and forms a dramatic water garden that ascends by stages up to Alamo Plaza, thus linking for the first time The Alamo and the San Antonio River.

Today, in 2008, the City is extending the landscape an amenity-filled corridors to both the south (Mission Reach) and to the north (Museum Reach). The lesson: do what you do best, and keep on doing it. Developments along the northern reach are already sprouting up like mushrooms and this will not stop anytime soon.

San Antonio no longer has an inferiority complex. It knows it is a great city that is continuously improving. In other Texas cities, hotel rates drop on the weekends, while here in San Antonio they go through the roof on weekends. This is no accident. People just want to be here. And it is one of the best getaways there is.

Like many great urban efforts, this has been a long time coming, an overnight success that has taken the better part of a century so far. Mayors, City Managers, the San Antonio River Authority and numerous agency and oversight groups have had and continue to have a hand in guiding the River into the 21st century. Too many people to list deserve credit for this, but it all began with NOT paving it over and turning it into a drainage culvert.

Millions of people from all over the world come here to see this unique and outstanding city.

- Roy Lowey-Ball, AIA
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Old 07-03-2008, 01:13 PM
Location: Baton Rouge
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Originally Posted by pwright1 View Post
New Orleans(pre Katrina)
Post Katrina New Orleans Downtown is pretty much the same as it was pre Katrina, except alot cleaner.
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Old 07-03-2008, 03:07 PM
Location: Wicker Park, Chicago
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Originally Posted by SweethomeSanAntonio View Post
What cities do you think have the most lively downtowns?Have the most attractions,cultural venues,residents,retail,etc.

I would say San Antonio would be in the top 15 most lively downtowns in the U.S.
We know New York,Chicago,San Fran,Boston are a given.

Places to see in Downtown San Antonio.

*World class musuems(San Antonio Musuem of Art,a new Smithsonian)
*Two historic arts districts(Southtown,La Vilita)River North Theatre district planned.
*5 restored historic Vaudeville theatre Palaces.
*100's of dining options.
*16,000 hotel rooms.Major cenvention center.
*The 13 mile urban Riverwalk.Central Riverwalk,UC River North.
*Historical sites.Alamo,San Fernando Cathederal,Historical Arneson amphitheatre,Scotish Rite Temple,Municipal Auditorium.
*Oldest cathederal in America-San Fernando.
*Many parks and plazas.
*Entertainment centers:Sunset Station,Alamo Plaza,St.Paul Square,Market Square,Hemisphere Park,The Pearl District.(UC)
*Shoping Centers:Rivercenter Mall,Market Square,Houston Street.
*5 major hospitals,2 universities,3 high Schools.
*Nearly 25,000 residents in Greater downtown.
My only problem is with the "things to do" department. I'm very active and have a very wide array of interests. For me personally, there are only two cities on the list that would require more than a one week vacation(so image living there and trying to find something reasonably new and fresh to do week in and week out), N.Y, and Chicago. Not to be rude but the other cities are kidding themselves if they believe they have a lot going on, because they just don't. For me "things to do" is paramount for cities where I've lived. It's true, when you've lived in world class cities(and N.Y. and Chi are really the only two in North America) it's impossible to be happy with a smaller town. At least for me.
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