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Old 07-11-2013, 12:20 AM
 
Location: Minneapolis
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I ran across this thing on the Minneapolis city website, I thought it was pretty interesting and they have the whole list so I thought I would post it here. The Creative Vitality Index (CVI) is an attempt to create a numerical basis for the comparison of different metro area's per capita creative economies. 60% of the CVI is based on the per capita revenues of arts related goods and services, 40% is based on per capita arts employment. The list is from 2010 and appears to be based on MSAs, these are the top 35:

1. Washington DC
2. New York
3. Los Angeles
4. San Francisco
5. Boston
6. Minneapolis - St Paul
7. Seattle
8. Denver
9. Salt Lake City
10. Austin
11. Las Vegas
12. San Jose
13. Portland
14. Hartford
15. San Diego
16. Milwaukee
17. Philadelphia
18. Columbus
19. Indianapolis
20. Chicago
21. Cleveland
22. Pittsburgh
23. Kansas City
24. Atlanta
25. Baltimore
26. Grand Rapids
27. Miami
28. Charlotte
29. Raleigh
30. St Louis
31. Cincinnati
32. Memphis
33. Houston
34. Phoenix
35. Duluth

http://www.minneapolismn.gov/www/gro...s1p-103117.pdf

Edit - I meant to put this in city vs city.

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Old 07-11-2013, 01:04 AM
 
Location: Minneapolis
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With the inclusion of Duluth and Grand Rapids it looks like they did this for smaller metros too but most didn't make the top 35. I am surprised that Savannah didn't, it must be close.
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Old 07-11-2013, 01:07 AM
 
Location: SGV, CA
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So only art is considered creative? Don't think I'd agree with that.
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Old 07-11-2013, 01:34 AM
 
Location: Minneapolis
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There was a wide gamut of things counted - artists, photographers, musicians, music techs, architects, writers, dancers, fashion design, theater and a bunch of other fields.
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Old 07-11-2013, 08:13 AM
 
Location: Milwaukee
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There was a wide gamut of things counted - artists, photographers, musicians, music techs, architects, writers, dancers, fashion design, theater and a bunch of other fields.
The problem is the best, most cutting edge art in most cities is fairly off the grid and would not be considered on a list like this. Salt Lake City, for example, has added close to nothing to the world over the years in terms of true culture and it's in the top 10; Detroit is hugely influential yet doesn't appear on the list (but nowheresville Grand Rapids does). This is about how much cash a city tosses at ballet and so on, which to me is a completely different thing.

Years back I was shocked to hear that (at the time) Wausau WI spent more on "the arts" per capita than anywhere in the country. It's a complete cultural dead zone, but the elite class of factory owners and so forth built halls and brought in plays and so forth in order to "bring culture" to what is essentially a void. It didn't enrich the local community that much, but I'm sure the elites pointed to the stats whenever having cocktails with their buddies elsewhere in the country.
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Old 07-11-2013, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Minneapolis
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This is about how much cash a city tosses at ballet and so on, which to me is a completely different thing.
If you read the criteria you would see that is not what this list is about, the main drivers are occupations and consumer spending. It is not based on historical patterns but on how things are now, i.e. there is no factoring in what a city did in the '60s.

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Old 07-11-2013, 09:22 AM
 
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Salt Lake City, for example, has added close to nothing to the world over the years in terms of true culture and it's in the top 10; Detroit is hugely influential yet doesn't appear on the list (but nowheresville Grand Rapids does).
Did you read the article? This isn't measuring "contributions to the world".

SLC is a tech hub and has a fair number of creatives. Detroit isn't a tech hub and is not known for a big creative class. Grand Rapids has much more of a creative class than Detroit (at least proportionally).
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Old 07-11-2013, 09:30 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Columbus as 18 is not surprising considering it has the 3rd largest employment of fashion designers behind LA and NY. Limited, Victorias Sectret, Express, Abercrombie, etc all have headquarters there bringing in a lot of creative talent. Plus Ohio State and 12 other universities/colleges
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Old 07-11-2013, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Terramaria
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Big disappointment for Chicago too see its ranking bunched along with other midwestern cities on the list despite its size (How does Milwaukee have a more creative vitality than Chitown?). With all of the art institutions and big time art enclaves such as River North and Bucktown/Wicker Park, it deserves a much higher spot on this list. Interesting also that Baltimore, despite being close to DC is so much lower as well. Philadelphia is also a bit disappointing despite having University City/Old City and one of the best art museums and the Avenue of the Arts, and still show that these cities are Rust Belt/Manufacturing at heart. Houston is another disapointment for its size, despite the presence of NASA, though its more justifiable since it lacks a widely-known art scene like Austin has. I doubt its the hood areas that drag them down since NY, LA, and DC have their parts.
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Old 07-11-2013, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Milwaukee
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Did you read the article? This isn't measuring "contributions to the world".

SLC is a tech hub and has a fair number of creatives. Detroit isn't a tech hub and is not known for a big creative class. Grand Rapids has much more of a creative class than Detroit (at least proportionally).
And you missed my entire point - in the real world, a place like Detroit is "creatively vital" and Salt Lake City is NOT. Therefore, the term "creative vitality index" is wholly misleading.
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