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Whether it's a "fantastic measure of true support" or not, 675K out of the tens of millions of people who live in the South is hardly a mandate. So however popular it might be for the WH's website, it means nothing in the grand scheme of things.
Mrs. Aragon originally brought up the WH petitions. I rejected their validity entirely from the start.
Mrs. Aragon claimed, and she was perfectly serious, that we are a tiny minority. I would not consider 40% of young Mississippians identifying as Southrons first and Americans second a tiny minority. Mrs. Aragon claims to be American first and Southern second, and keeps going on about her personal life, apparently waiting for me to throw her a cookie.
I would also not consider 38% Confederate support a tiny minority, nor 25% support for secession a tiny minority. A minority I have not argued with. But a tiny minority we are definitely not.
I don't know why you keep saying "Southrons" but it's pretty irritating.
Anyway, as I've said before, making Mississippi tantamount to the entire South is fallacious. That state is in no way representative of the South as a whole. Your arguments just don't hold water sir.
If you and the state of Mississippi want to secede, go right ahead but you won't be dragging the rest of the region with you.
I don't know why you keep saying "Southrons" but it's pretty irritating.
Anyway, as I've said before, making Mississippi tantamount to the entire South is fallacious. That state is in no way representative of the South as a whole. Your arguments just don't hold water sir.
If you and the state of Mississippi want to secede, go right ahead but you won't be dragging the rest of the region with you.
Only one survey was restricted to Mississippi. That was the survey regarding Southern identity. The others were a combination of Southern states. As far as who is dragged into it, that would depend. What I can absolutely guarantee is that there would be nothing you could do about it if, and I say IF, it were to happen.
Mrs. Aragon claimed, and she was perfectly serious, that we are a tiny minority. I would not consider 40% of young Mississippians identifying as Southrons first and Americans second a tiny minority. Mrs. Aragon claims to be American first and Southern second, and keeps going on about her personal life, apparently waiting for me to throw her a cookie.
I would also not consider 38% Confederate support a tiny minority, nor 25% support for secession a tiny minority. A minority I have not argued with. But a tiny minority we are definitely not.
LOL I don't want or need your cookies. I do, however, feel that I'm representative of many, many Southerners (not Southroners whatever that is) that apparently, for whatever reasons, you don't seem to be coming in close contact with. "We're everywhere!"
You keep going on and on about Mississippians, as if 1) they were some sort of homogenous group, and 2) as if Mississippians represent Southerners (not Southroners, whatever those are) as a whole.
Let me remind you that Mississippi is 38 percent African American. I doubt very much that many African American Mississippians support the ideals of the Confederacy, let alone support secession.
The rest of the population of Mississippi is about 57 percent white, non Hispanic. Are you telling me that you honestly believe that about 40 percent of those people want to secede from the Union?
And then we get back to the "want" vs "wish" thing. People who truly WANT something take active steps to achieve it. Otherwise, like I said, talk is cheap. REALLY cheap.
LOL I don't want or need your cookies. I do, however, feel that I'm representative of many, many Southerners (not Southroners whatever that is) that apparently, for whatever reasons, you don't seem to be coming in close contact with. "We're everywhere!"
American patriots being the same people who would become "brothers" with Puerto Ricans if they were to become a state tomorrow.
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You keep going on and on about Mississippians, as if 1) they were some sort of homogenous group, and 2) as if Mississippians represent Southerners (not Southroners, whatever those are) as a whole.
Maybe you don't consider Southerners homogeneous.
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Let me remind you that Mississippi is 38 percent African American. I doubt very much that many African American Mississippians support the ideals of the Confederacy, let alone support secession.
Hm, I did not know that. Thank you for that information.
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The rest of the population of Mississippi is about 57 percent white, non Hispanic. Are you telling me that you honestly believe that about 40 percent of those people want to secede from the Union?
40% of young Mississippians who participated in the survey claim their Southern identity is more important than their American identity. I don't know the exact percentage who are pro secession in MS. What I do know is that a moral person does not oppose independence.
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And then we get back to the "want" vs "wish" thing. People who truly WANT something take active steps to achieve it. Otherwise, like I said, talk is cheap. REALLY cheap.
Registering on a government web site and signing a fraudulent petition is not what I consider taking action.
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What is a Southroner by the way?
A Southron is a Southerner.
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American patriots being the same people who would become "brothers" with Puerto Ricans if they were to become a state tomorrow.
Maybe you don't consider Southerners homogeneous.
Hm, I did not know that. Thank you for that information.
40% of young Mississippians who participated in the survey claim their Southern identity is stronger than their American identity. I don't know the exact percentage who are pro secession in MS. What I do know is that a moral person does not oppose independence.
Registering on a government web site and signing a fraudulent petition is not what I consider taking action.
A Southron is a Southerner.
This post reminds me of why I haven't been too keen on engaging you in conversations up to this point (hint - that's not because I'm intimidated by your intellectual prowess).
Just one thing has me curious - you can of course disregard me as I'm about to disregard your posts, but I really am curious as to why you insist on calling Southerners "Southron." That's so strange. Please explain this to us since I'm not the only one bemused and confused by this term.
This post reminds me of why I haven't been too keen on engaging you in conversations up to this point (hint - that's not because I'm intimidated by your intellectual prowess).
Just one thing has me curious - you can of course disregard me as I'm about to disregard your posts, but I really am curious as to why you insist on calling Southerners "Southron." That's so strange. Please explain this to us since I'm not the only one bemused and confused by this term.
Just one thing has me curious - you can of course disregard me as I'm about to disregard your posts, but I really am curious as to why you insist on calling Southerners "Southron." That's so strange. Please explain this to us since I'm not the only one bemused and confused by this term.
I have been wondering that myself! Just what is a "southron"???????????????
Oh, out of curriosity (I don't know why) but I did his google link. It seems that is an old term. As in, from the confederacy. As in, possibly how people talked way, way, way, way, waaaaaaayyyyyyy back then.
Basically it even proves more that somebody here must have found a time machine and is stuck in the 1860's, but, unfortunately (or fortunately for comic relief) he can communicate with the modern times!
Only one survey was restricted to Mississippi. That was the survey regarding Southern identity. The others were a combination of Southern states. As far as who is dragged into it, that would depend. What I can absolutely guarantee is that there would be nothing you could do about it if, and I say IF, it were to happen.
It's not happening dude...but keep hope alive if it makes you sleep better at night.
It's not happening dude...but keep hope alive if it makes you sleep better at night.
LOL!!! Tell it, Mutiny77.
The ignorance on display here is almost breathtaking.
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