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Old 09-26-2013, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Mid Atlantic USA
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For the Philadelphia MSA, I came up with 19.33%. For the CSA, I came up with 17.99%.

Out of curiosity, I also calculated the figures for Italians. The MSA is 14.02% Italian and the CSA is 13.04%.

Anybody have numbers for NYC?

Yes, Philly has loads of Italian Catholics and Irish Catholics, and the they tend to intermarry a lot. I have this in my family. They tend to create quite colorful families, and good looking too.
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Old 09-26-2013, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Catholic churches seemed pretty rare to me in Charleston County. Not so much in Baltimore County. Baltimore is much more like Philly than Charleston.
That's what many people on here say, but I rarely see the data to back it up.

I wouldn't dispute that Baltimore is more Catholic than Charleston. But Philadelphia is way more Catholic than Baltimore. Not only is the Archdiocese of Philadelphia larger, but the percentage of Catholics within its jurisdiction is much, much, much higher than Baltimore's (39 vs. 16-17 percent...still much larger even after excluding Hispanics and Filipinos). Maryland also has a historical peculiarity in that it has quite a number of English Catholics (who founded the state) as well as a number of African American Catholics (who account for nearly 20 percent of the state's Catholics).
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Old 09-26-2013, 09:08 AM
 
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But that's not really true. The non-Catholic Irish in the South began to label themselves as "Scotch-Irish" around the end of the 19th Century (coinciding with heavy waves of immigration of Irish Catholics to the U.S.).

The difference between Irish and Scotch-Irish is more ethnic rather than religious. Scotch-Irish Americans descended mostly from Scottish and northern English families who colonized Ireland during the 17th century, few of them had Irish ancestry.
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Old 09-26-2013, 09:09 AM
 
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Yes, Philly has loads of Italian Catholics and Irish Catholics, and the they tend to intermarry a lot. I have this in my family. They tend to create quite colorful families, and good looking too.

Ha - I am a half breed, maybe even good looking...
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Old 09-26-2013, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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The difference between Irish and Scotch-Irish is more ethnic rather than religious. Scotch-Irish Americans descended mostly from Scottish and northern English families who colonized Ireland during the 17th century, few of them had Irish ancestry.
That doesn't contradict what I wrote. I said that the term "Scotch-Irish" rose to prominence after heavy Irish Catholic immigration during the late 19th Century. It was a way to distinguish themselves from the more newly arrived, Irish Catholic immigrants.
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Location: Long Island / NYC
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For the Philadelphia MSA, I came up with 19.33%. For the CSA, I came up with 17.99%.

Out of curiosity, I also calculated the figures for Italians. The MSA is 14.02% Italian and the CSA is 13.04%.

Anybody have numbers for NYC?
Long Island is about 19-20% Irish. 25.5% Italian.
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Old 09-26-2013, 11:39 AM
 
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List of U.S. cities with large Irish-American populations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

1. Boston, Massachusetts 18.87%
2. Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 14.60%
3. Chicago, Illinois 12.68%
4. Tulsa, Oklahoma 11.4%
5. Buffalo, New York 11.23%
6. Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 10.74%
7. Kansas City, Missouri 9.66%
8. Cleveland, Ohio 9.43%
9. Baltimore, Maryland 9.14%
10. Cincinnati, Ohio 9.05%

Those are just the large cities, it lists other medium/small ones too.
Chicago for sure. Agree with this list.
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Old 09-26-2013, 11:43 AM
 
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Here are figures for the Philadelphia, Baltimore and Charleston MSAs.

Philadelphia - 19.33% Irish
Baltimore - 13.99% Irish
Charleston - 10.47% Irish

Difference between Baltimore and Philadelphia - -5.34
Difference between Baltimore and Charleston - 3.52

Philadelphia - 14.02% Italian
Baltimore - 6.51% Italian
Charleston - 3.98% Italian

Difference between Baltimore and Philadelphia - -7.51
Difference between Baltimore and Charleston - 2.53

I don't find these stats to be all that surprising. The Irish and Italians tended to settle in port cities all over the U.S. (New Orleans, Savannah, Charleston, Norfolk, Cleveland, San Francisco, San Diego, etc.). The settlement pattern was just larger in the Northeast (probably because the Northeastern cities were so much larger at that time).
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Old 09-26-2013, 11:47 AM
 
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^^ the odd thing to me is that Philly and Boston are pretty similar Irish and Italian yet Philly is generally more associated with Italians and Boston with Irish
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Old 09-26-2013, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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^^ the odd thing to me is that Philly and Boston are pretty similar Irish and Italian yet Philly is generally more associated with Italians and Boston with Irish
Well, I didn't even bother calculating the numbers for Boston because I just assumed it would be way higher than both Philly and NYC. From living there, I always assumed the Irish population was much larger (despite the mayor being Italian...though I think he was the first and only). The Boston Globe used to publish all of its ads on the T in green and white and there would be shamrocks all over the place. Plus, you've got the Celtics and all of that. And Boston is famous for Southie whereas Philly is famous for South Philly. The Sox also don these uniforms from time to time.

But you're right that Boston is very Italian. And that tends to get overlooked.
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