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Old 11-17-2013, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Auburn, New York
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I think Baltimore is pretty ****ing amazing. If it's not cosmopolitan I don't know what is. We have Johns Hopkins, a big seaport, a big aquarium, history, diversity, crab cakes, proximity to DC, but we're not nearly as pretentious.
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Old 11-17-2013, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Atlanta ,GA
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And they boo Santa in Philly.

Never been to Austin. However, I can tell you about Denver.

Arts:

Denver Center for Performing Arts. Just saw "The Book of Mormon" there, with the NYC cast. And, as a bonus, more Denverites actually know about Mormonism than do Philadelphians, who probably think it's some sort of "cult".
denvercenter.org The official source for tickets at The Denver Center for the Performing Arts

Denver Art Museum
A fabulous building, architecturally. Great exhibits, as well.
Denver Art Museum

Denver Museum of Nature and Science
Current Exhibitions : Denver Museum of Nature & Science

Denver Public Library
Has a unique collection of western history, not that easterners care about anything west of the Susquehanna River.
Denver Public Library | Denver Public Library

Plus much more. Bonus: The Scientific and Cultural Facilities District-a taxing district that funds the arts in both the city and the suburbs, and some statewide. (And this state is wide) Pittsburgh modeled their program on Denver's.
Scientific and Cultural Facilities District

Who cares about Philly's wealthy families, other than other Philadelphians? We have our own-the Coors family especially. Philadelphians are all the time talking about their "old money". Phildelphians think the "new money" people are crass and so forth. Coming from Pittsburgh ("land of no money") I never got this. Aren't people supposed to try to better themselves?

Education: Some highly rated PUBLIC colleges, plus the U of Denver.

Economy: High tech, baby. It's the present and the future. Philly's in the past. Financial center of the Rockies.

Health Care: University of Colorado Health Science Center; Children's Hospital nationally ranked in 10 specialities; U of CO Hosp ranked nationally in 5 specialites. National Jewish Hospital, the leading respiratory hospital in the nation.
University of Colorado Hospital in Aurora, CO - US News Best Hospitals
Children's Hospital Colorado in Aurora, CO - US News Best Hospitals
The Leading Respiratory Hospital in the Nation - National Jewish Health

Diversity: More diverse than you seem to think. About 50% non-hispanic white, 50% other. Diverse suburbs as well.
Denver is a great American city but it lacks sophistication and its ALMOST cosmopolitan but not quite there yet.

All that stuff you mention has no bearing on the world stage what so ever.Im not dissing Denver,its just not there yet.

Compare those offerings to what Philly offers and its paltry .Denver has not ONE museum that can compete with Philly.
Nor does it have a university that can compare with Philly top schools,

Philly has over a $400 billion economy.Denver's is less than $170 Billion.Not even in the same league.
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Old 11-17-2013, 05:35 PM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Denver is a great American city but it lacks sophistication and its ALMOST cosmopolitan but not quite there yet.

All that stuff you mention has no bearing on the world stage what so ever.Im not dissing Denver,its just not there yet.

Compare those offerings to what Philly offers and its paltry .Denver has not ONE museum that can compete with Philly.
Nor does it have a university that can compare with Philly top schools,

Philly has over a $400 billion economy.Denver's is less than $170 Billion.Not even in the same league.
Most of what you mention has no bearing on the world stage either. Who cares about your "Old money" trustfunders? Here, people WORK for a living.

Have you ever been to Denver? Have you ever compared museums?
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Old 11-17-2013, 05:46 PM
 
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I think Baltimore is pretty ****ing amazing. If it's not cosmopolitan I don't know what is. We have Johns Hopkins, a big seaport, a big aquarium, history, diversity, crab cakes, proximity to DC, but we're not nearly as pretentious.
What do things like crab cakes and an aquarium have to do with cosmopolitan status?

And no, Baltimore isn't particularly diverse. It's easily the least diverse of the major Northeastern cities, and gets comparatively little immigration.
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Old 11-17-2013, 06:36 PM
 
Location: Atlanta ,GA
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Most of what you mention has no bearing on the world stage either. Who cares about your "Old money" trustfunders? Here, people WORK for a living.

Have you ever been to Denver? Have you ever compared museums?
Yes. I have.I used to live in Denver.

And people don't WORK for a living in Philly? Just stop it with the dramatics!LOL
Have you ever been to Philly?Did you not see that they have a Rodin Museum?What could Denver have that could compare?

Philly was founded in the 1700's why on earth would Denver have as much in their much as Philly?Is pretty much a no brainer.
Philadelphia Museum Shaped Early American Culture : NPR

Money has a lot to do with it.Not "Old Money" necessarily but as it pertains to the OP question,Denver is lacking and Old Money traditions are what has built many of the instutions like the arts and education in Philly.
The fact that Philly has such a strong foundation of this countries beginings is enough to put it in the global eye.Much like Boston but to a lesser degree.If Philly keeps improving like it has,it will be like Boston.

Education/Reseach and the Atrs are areas in which even today are relevant on a global scale.

Take the University of Pennsylvania,Villanova,Drexel all schools with a strong tradition of educating and research that has a global impact.
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Old 11-17-2013, 07:34 PM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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"Old Money" which you mentioned several times, brings to mind "trustafarians".

US News rankings (in order) colleges you named and colleges in Denver area:

University of Pennsylvania-7 National
University of Colorado Boulder-86 National (5 Nobel Prize winners, 4 physics, 1 chemistry)
Colorado School of Mines-91 National
University of Denver-91 National
Drexel University-97 National
Villanova-1 Regional universities (a lower category)
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Old 11-17-2013, 11:26 PM
 
Location: Atlanta ,GA
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"Old Money" which you mentioned several times, brings to mind "trustafarians".

US News rankings (in order) colleges you named and colleges in Denver area:

University of Pennsylvania-7 National
University of Colorado Boulder-86 National (5 Nobel Prize winners, 4 physics, 1 chemistry)
Colorado School of Mines-91 National
University of Denver-91 National
Drexel University-97 National
Villanova-1 Regional universities (a lower category)
So what if they are trustafarians?I never claimed that was ALL what Philly had.It is what it is why get so upset about it?

Are you seriously trying to put Denver up there with Philly?
If you really need to pull in the CSA of a city to compete then that says a lot.Boulder?Really?
You really need to read up on UPenn before you spout off some stats that dont measure up at all.

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As of 2013, there have been 28 laureates affiliated with the University of Pennsylvania, 8 alone in the last 10 years.
List of Nobel laureates affiliated with the University of Pennsylvania - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Do we need to get into how many at Drexel or Villanova?Even Temple U?
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Old 11-18-2013, 03:04 AM
 
Location: BMORE!
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What do things like crab cakes and an aquarium have to do with cosmopolitan status?

And no, Baltimore isn't particularly diverse. It's easily the least diverse of the major Northeastern cities, and gets comparatively little immigration.
Baltimore's diversity is underrated. You'll see races and cultures mixing as you would see in any other city. Baltimore and its surround area has to many ethnic enclaves for it not to be diverse.
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Old 11-18-2013, 06:51 AM
 
Location: Atlanta ,GA
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Baltimore's diversity is underrated. You'll see races and cultures mixing as you would see in any other city. Baltimore and its surround area has to many ethnic enclaves for it not to be diverse.
Yes it is diverse but its also very segregated.In fact its one of the most segregated cities in America.
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Old 11-18-2013, 07:46 AM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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So what if they are trustafarians?I never claimed that was ALL what Philly had.It is what it is why get so upset about it?

Are you seriously trying to put Denver up there with Philly?
If you really need to pull in the CSA of a city to compete then that says a lot.Boulder?Really?
You really need to read up on UPenn before you spout off some stats that dont measure up at all.


List of Nobel laureates affiliated with the University of Pennsylvania - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Do we need to get into how many at Drexel or Villanova?Even Temple U?
Well, who cares about all of Philly's "old money", other than other Philadelphians?

I was wrong about CU, they actually have 8 Nobel Laureates.

As for Drexel, Villanova, and Temple, they all have the same number-0.

Penn is top notch, no doubt about it. The rest? Not so much.

List of Nobel laureates by university affiliation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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