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Old 11-06-2013, 07:42 AM
 
Location: The City
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Those are great attributes, but none of them necessarily scream "sophistication" to me--which, by the way, really isn't a bad thing.
Agreed - How doe a statement on the moon translate to sofistication or cosmoplitanism. The arts and theater maybe. Also having a school does not translate either - can help but agree also to me Houston is cosmopolitan but not really sophisticated. Similar to my hometown in this regard to me

And alos agree that isnt a bad thing, or a good thing per se
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Old 11-06-2013, 07:55 AM
 
Location: roaming gnome
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Sacramento, Houston, Orlando, Riverside (IE)
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Old 11-06-2013, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Finger Lakes Region, New York
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Old 11-06-2013, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Upper East Side of Texas
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Agreed - How doe a statement on the moon translate to sofistication or cosmoplitanism. The arts and theater maybe. Also having a school does not translate either - can help but agree also to me Houston is cosmopolitan but not really sophisticated. Similar to my hometown in this regard to me

And alos agree that isnt a bad thing, or a good thing per se
Then really the only "sophisticated" cities in America are NYC, LA, SF, & possibly DC.

I would put Houston on the level with Chicago because both are blue collar cities.
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Old 11-06-2013, 11:43 AM
 
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Then really the only sophisticated cities in America are NYC, LA, SF, & possibly DC.
I think there are a few others, but on a smaller scale obviously.

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I would put Houston on the level with Chicago because both are blue collar cities.
I think more goes into it than that. Houston and Chicago have many more differences to consider within this context.
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Old 11-06-2013, 11:49 AM
 
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Then really the only "sophisticated" cities in America are NYC, LA, SF, & possibly DC.

I would put Houston on the level with Chicago because both are blue collar cities.
Definitely not. Chicago has a far larger "sophisticated area" than Houston can dream of and is much longer established.
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Old 11-06-2013, 01:06 PM
 
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Definitely not. Chicago has a far larger "sophisticated area" than Houston can dream of and is much longer established.
Maybe (and especially because of the second part of your setence, because Houston hasn't been big for very long), but its hard to argue, and even you yourself have claimed, that Chicagos blue collared roots are much more entrenched into the citys culture (although in a different way than Houston, instead of Urban Cowboy you have "Da Bears superfans"), with its sports and streetfood obsessions (these are blue collared associated whether people want to agree with that or not).

In that way Chicago is like Philly. Rich culture, history but a blue collared vibe that impermeates the cities culture with regards again to the sports and streetfood (pizza/hotdogs/cheesesteaks/Italian beef), more so than NYC/SF/LA/DC.
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Old 11-06-2013, 01:06 PM
 
Location: Near L.A.
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Orange County, CA is easily one of the most cosmopolitan places in the nation, if not the world. A true melting pot of languages, ethnicities, races, and world cultures.

However, I can find 50 towns in BFE California (or BFE Midwest, BFE Pacific Northwest, etc.) that have more sophistication (and class) than Orange County. Maybe some of the older money communities in Newport Beach or Yorba Linda or the arts district in Santa Ana would qualify as having some sophistication, but those are small fractions of a large OC population--and Newport Beach certainly lacks class!
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Old 11-06-2013, 01:07 PM
 
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Orange County, CA is easily one of the most cosmopolitan places in the nation, if not the world. A true melting pot of languages, ethnicities, races, and world cultures.

However, I can find 50 towns in BFE California (or BFE Midwest, BFE Pacific Northwest, etc.) that have more sophistication (and class) than Orange County.
Really. Care to explain?
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Old 11-06-2013, 01:31 PM
 
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Orange County, CA is easily one of the most cosmopolitan places in the nation, if not the world. A true melting pot of languages, ethnicities, races, and world cultures.

However, I can find 50 towns in BFE California (or BFE Midwest, BFE Pacific Northwest, etc.) that have more sophistication (and class) than Orange County. Maybe some of the older money communities in Newport Beach or Yorba Linda or the arts district in Santa Ana would qualify as having some sophistication, but those are small fractions of a large OC population--and Newport Beach certainly lacks class!
I've also heard Orange County is diverse.
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