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Old 11-09-2013, 10:04 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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Maryland's Eastern Shore also wants to leave.
Hell says it also wants to freeze over.
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Old 11-09-2013, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Because then Colorado would no longer be a rectangle, and that is the most important and serious matter at hand here. I'm sure Rand McNally would lobby against it, reshaping that perfect rectangle would be just devastating.
It's not a perfect rectangle. First, the two northern corners are closer together than the two southern corners. The east and west boundaries converge to the north, because they are meridians, which are not parallel. And, the borders are not straight lines, they have deviations due to the imperfection of early surveyors. We know from modern surveying where the borders should have been, but the old erroneous ones are grandfathered.

Allegedly, there is even a several mile strip along the Wyoming border that is in neither state, because the two states made their official survey independent of each other, although that might just be folklore. But the most serious errors are on the border with Utah, which is a mess.

In fact, people who take their picture standing in all four states at Four Corners are actually about 100 yards from the coordinates that define the borders. It's aboput 3.5 seconds of latitude south of the 37th parallel.

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Old 11-09-2013, 10:21 PM
 
Location: northern Vermont - previously NM, WA, & MA
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It's not a perfect rectangle. First, the two northern corners are closer together than the two southern corners. The east and west boundaries converge to the north, because they are meridians, which are not parallel. And, the borders are not straight lines, they have deviations due to the imperfection of early surveyors. We know from modern surveying where the borders should have been, but the old erroneous ones are grandfathered.

Allegedly, there is even a several mile strip along the Wyoming border that is in neither state, because the two states made their official survey independent of each other, although that might just be folklore. But the most serious errors are on the border with Utah, which is a mess.

In fact, people who take their picture standing in all four states at Four Corners are actually about 100 yards from the coordinates that define the borders. It's aboput 3.5 seconds of latitude south of the 37th parallel.
Yeah, my post was a bit less serious with a healthy dose of sarcasm. Let the surveyors duke it out, I find these kinds of technicalities fairly arbitrary.
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Old 04-04-2016, 07:00 PM
 
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Default New England

There seems to be a movement rising in New England, Only been around for nearly a year, but they have gained quite a bit of popularity over the internet in just that short amount of time.

https://twitter.com/RepublicofNE
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Old 04-04-2016, 07:51 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Colorado was originally part of Kansas, Nebraska, Utah, and New Mexico. They all gave it up to get rid of all that worthless thinned aired, high altitude, mountain territory and all the rowdies digging in to the sides of those mountains.

Sorry, we ain't giving it back.

There is a ballot issue to change the state constitution to require a broader range of approval from other areas of the state on future ballot items rather than a simple majority. This is to eliminate the popular vote from the most populated areas . 60% of the state's population lives along the geographic Front Range where the plains meet the mountains.
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Old 04-04-2016, 09:34 PM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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I am just wondering if this has happened in other states at certain points of time. I know Colorado is in the news because of this. Also in my home state of Nebraska, the western panhandle wanted to join Wyoming in the 80's. I've also heard of Long Island wanting to be a state, and that parts of Oregon and California wanted to join and form a new state. Are there any other movements though? Like do people in Eastern Washington and Oregon want to form their own state or join Idaho? do people in West Texas feel Austin doesn't represent them well and could run their own state? Please tell me.
Historically the obvious answers are Kentucky from Virginia, Tennessee from North Carolina, Maine from Massachusetts, and West Virginia from Virginia.

About a decade ago there were legislators from Maine wanting to split the state by existing counties into "Northern Massachusetts" in the southern coast up to the Penobscot river and leaving the Down East and rural inland as the state of Maine. This would mean Portland and Augusta would be in Northern Massachusetts and Maine would be left with only Bangor. Naturally this didn't go anywhere but to increase animosity.

Maine's split personality - The Boston Globe
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Old 04-05-2016, 07:09 AM
 
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The Upper Peninsula of Michigan is completely removed from the lower part of Michigan. Plus the people up there are, interesting. They want to create a state called Superior. Some even want to annex a few counties from WI and some from the main part of MI.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supe...sed_U.S._state)
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Old 04-05-2016, 10:53 AM
 
Location: crafton pa
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While it may be interesting or fun to talk about, the idea of a part of any state seceding from the state and forming its own, new state or joining an existing state is just that, talk. The Constitution does not allow any new state to be formed from the territory of an existing state without permission of the existing state's legislature. Nor does it allow any territory in one state to join another without the permission of both state legislatures involved. Good luck getting any group of politicians to give up any amount of their existing power.
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Old 04-06-2016, 04:02 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, New York
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Staten Island in the past 20 years has wanted to secede from New York City. Also, some New Yorkers seem to think New Jerseyans want and should get Staten Island while we vehemently disagree and have no idea where they get that idea from. Wishful thinking perhaps?
The official referendum in Staten Island passed with 63% in favor of succession, and even passed in NY state senate. However, after NYC gave major concessions to SI such as making the ferry free, it didn't go anywhere.

I believe if some area of the country will successfully manage to separate and create its own state, you'd see a cascading effect and restructuring of a lot of states. There are many states where BOTH sides want to be separate from each other, like NY upstate vs downstate.
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Old 04-06-2016, 09:34 PM
 
Location: East of the Sun, West of the Moon
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I find secessionist musings interesting (and ultimately valid), but the ones based on a rural disdain for their urban counterparts are simplistic and ill-fated should the split ever become realized. Any secessionist movement that actually hopes to exist would need the assets of both the resource developing (rural and industrial) component as well as the urban sibling (commerce and trade) to survive.

Model: upstate NY vs. NYC. Upstate would die as a sovereign entity without NYC.
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