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Old 12-03-2013, 02:05 PM
 
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Makes no sense, from a layman perspective the dutch and danes are very nordic looking populations most people have the hollywoodesque tall and fair/blonde looks. The english are darker and shorter, even german people are more genuinelly blonde and tall. I have been to the UK many times, and the user Pardillo here can confirm this too, he has an aunt married to a dutchman and has been to UK many times (If Im not wrong lives in the UK now). Talking about the differences between groups of Brits and Germans,Its just easy to notice when visiting both countries how many british women lean to the curvy , short and brunette(many times very dark brown/black hair). Most of the blondes in the UK are very fake looking (usually darkbrown roots), and the genuine blondes you find there are usually baltic/pilish/czech women who are doing aupair or temporary work in the Isles . On the other hand german women lean more to the tallish/longer legs/arms , slender, and naturally blonde spectrum. Even the brunette haired german women usually "northern" (as in tall, slender facial features, long legs, blue eyes,etc).

Some comments on city data from people who have been to different parts of northern europe.

"Danish don't have anything to do with MOST Brits at all, they are an entirely different crowd. Danish are Scandinavians, most are blonde and they have a close-knit family look.
The concept of "Northern European" is wrong, since the original people in North Europe were just the same people that constitute the majority in Great Britain, Alpines...they are the people living in England and Ireland during the last 8.000 years.
Saxons were invaders, just a drop of water in British genetic pool, more so taking in account that Normans did not like them at all and sent them packing everywhere, in current day Turkey there was a city called New York founded 800 years ago by the Saxons, Normans annihilated them."


"Yes, I have Dutch family since my aunt married a Dutch. Dutch are indeed very Nordic looking and quite similar (from a layman's perspective), nothing to do with Brits that might have a Germanic language but that are not Nordic looking in general.

They are also totally different to Germans, different character entirely, as stated by the same Julius Caesar when talking about Frisians.

Dutch are related with Flemish, both were once part of the Spanish empire. Dutch are above all, traders, commercial people.

I guess there are Dutch with black hair, but not many. They also have people from the colonies that are entirely assimilated."

typical english people:

http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/arti...043-418020.jpg

Even saxonwold who has high animosity towards the England and the UK in general would never dare to claim that England is like Denmark or the Netherlands in tems of phenotype, england would be comparable more to northwest france in terms of pigmentation and height, still different though (more of a diversity within the British Isles).

I could never confuse a random group of brits but for Irish.

British football fans.. nordic lookin ? come on..


Blues fans at Wembley (Carling Cup Final) - YouTube


Blues fans at wembley - YouTube


Danish people:

http://nimg.sulekha.com/entertainmen...-2-7-10-39.jpg

http://rwrant.co.za/wp-content/uploa...in-Denmark.jpg



average english and scottish looks:

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/image...s_students.jpg

http://www.borderscollege.ac.uk/ckfi...l-Team-web.jpg

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/image...4_64656023.jpg

http://www.lcfc.com/cms_images/news/...75_478x359.jpg

http://www.news10.net/images/640/360...ans2-getty.jpg


The difference is obvious between British Islanders and Germanic people.
It isn't by putting three or four pictures of a group of students that you generalize an entire population. You sound like there's no English or Irish people with natural blond hair and all Scandinavians are blonds, that's silly. I've seen many British shows and documentaries and it isn't uncommon to see someone with blond hair. It's true most of them have brown hair but to say that most blond people are actually eastern europeans it's exaggerated. Also how do you explain the high presence of blond people among Australians who are mostly of English, Irish, Scottish and Welsh descent ?

About Danes who don't have anything to do with Brits, you should read the history of England because the country was under the Danish rule during the 10th century.

History of England

About Germans who are mostly blonds, you forget that a sizable number are of Polish and other eastern european descent like Dirk Nowitzki. I agree Germans are generally more blond than English people but it's more common to see a German guy with black hair than English guy.


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Do you think Canadians look different from Americans?
I'd say the same but Canada also has a high percentage of French descent so there may be a small difference.

 
Old 12-03-2013, 06:25 PM
 
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The Traveler is just jealous because he isn't blonde and blue eyed like a large percentage of Americans and British people are. lol. He probably looks like those Aymara and Quechua natives living in South America. Not saying this is bad or anything but most likely is the case! He has never been outside of South America and has never gazed into a pair of beautiful blue eyes. Ones like I, an America, have. ^_^
 
Old 12-04-2013, 08:55 AM
 
Location: SE UK
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Whites look alike. You can not tell a German apart from an Irishman, Englishman, Russian, etc. You would also not be able to distinguish a European from a white American if they were dressed exactly the same and had the exact same hairstyle.
Somebody speaking some sense on here at last!
 
Old 12-04-2013, 04:12 PM
 
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I didnt say british are short, rather on the average for a western/european society than on the really tall one, they are certainly noticeable shorter than Dutch, danish, germans, etc. Brits tend to be more similar on height to the french imo. Certainly brits and Australians are taller than portuguese, spanish, italians, for example.

I meant that the term baby blond is particularly used in the anglospheric nations because there is a very big difference between the amount of blonde kids and adults, and yes there is a handful of fair haired brits but they tend to be more on the mousy side than in the Yellow/golden/platinium blonde one.

For example those scottish people.. you see a mix of mousy hair color and dark brown, and the yellow haired women (specially when women) are usually bleached.

http://www.thedrum.com/uploads/drum_...S%20awards.jpg

http://www.hamellbuilders.com/k_c_c/...oil_In_bag.jpg

http://www.uk.coop/sites/storage/pub...ur_winners.jpg

http://www.brignewspaper.com/wp-cont...k-Cup-team.jpg

Germans on the other hand have more of the "typically" natural blond looking people..

http://www.haz.de/var/storage/images...rticleWide.jpg

https://www.tu-braunschweig.de/Medie...g_1803_web.jpg

http://www.kn-online.de/var/storage/...rtikelQuer.jpg

http://www.kn-online.de/var/storage/...rtikelQuer.jpg


http://tahirchaudhry.de/onewebstatic...7-DSC06422.JPG


There you have the Irish who are said to have even slighty darker hair on average than brits (except the welsh)

http://www.stpaulsbessbrook.org/wp-c...3/IMG_7359.jpg

http://www.stpaulsbessbrook.org/wp-c...3/IMG_7344.jpg

http://www.stjosephscrossmaglen.com/...3/Feis%201.jpg

http://static1.demotix.com/sites/def...est_929496.jpg


Students from Western germany:

http://www.assist-inc.org/sites/assi...v2_2013-14.jpg

You can see how dark brown hair is much less frequent in germans than among brits (let alone the Irish) and blond hair is definitely more consistent.
My step father's parents are both from England. My step father is 6'4. Most of my ancestors are German. And we are all very short. My father is German and Czech and is only 5'4.

Guess again, Traveler86.
 
Old 12-04-2013, 09:40 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Traveler86 View Post
Makes no sense, from a layman perspective the dutch and danes are very nordic looking populations most people have the hollywoodesque tall and fair/blonde looks. The english are darker and shorter, even german people are more genuinelly blonde and tall. I have been to the UK many times, and the user Pardillo here can confirm this too, he has an aunt married to a dutchman and has been to UK many times (If Im not wrong lives in the UK now). Talking about the differences between groups of Brits and Germans,Its just easy to notice when visiting both countries how many british women lean to the curvy , short and brunette(many times very dark brown/black hair). Most of the blondes in the UK are very fake looking (usually darkbrown roots), and the genuine blondes you find there are usually baltic/pilish/czech women who are doing aupair or temporary work in the Isles . On the other hand german women lean more to the tallish/longer legs/arms , slender, and naturally blonde spectrum. Even the brunette haired german women usually "northern" (as in tall, slender facial features, long legs, blue eyes,etc).

Some comments on city data from people who have been to different parts of northern europe.

"Danish don't have anything to do with MOST Brits at all, they are an entirely different crowd. Danish are Scandinavians, most are blonde and they have a close-knit family look.
The concept of "Northern European" is wrong, since the original people in North Europe were just the same people that constitute the majority in Great Britain, Alpines...they are the people living in England and Ireland during the last 8.000 years.
Saxons were invaders, just a drop of water in British genetic pool, more so taking in account that Normans did not like them at all and sent them packing everywhere, in current day Turkey there was a city called New York founded 800 years ago by the Saxons, Normans annihilated them."


"Yes, I have Dutch family since my aunt married a Dutch. Dutch are indeed very Nordic looking and quite similar (from a layman's perspective), nothing to do with Brits that might have a Germanic language but that are not Nordic looking in general.

They are also totally different to Germans, different character entirely, as stated by the same Julius Caesar when talking about Frisians.

Dutch are related with Flemish, both were once part of the Spanish empire. Dutch are above all, traders, commercial people.

I guess there are Dutch with black hair, but not many. They also have people from the colonies that are entirely assimilated."

typical english people:

http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/arti...043-418020.jpg

Even saxonwold who has high animosity towards the England and the UK in general would never dare to claim that England is like Denmark or the Netherlands in tems of phenotype, england would be comparable more to northwest france in terms of pigmentation and height, still different though (more of a diversity within the British Isles).

I could never confuse a random group of brits but for Irish.

British football fans.. nordic lookin ? come on..


Blues fans at Wembley (Carling Cup Final) - YouTube


Blues fans at wembley - YouTube


Danish people:

http://nimg.sulekha.com/entertainmen...-2-7-10-39.jpg

http://rwrant.co.za/wp-content/uploa...in-Denmark.jpg



average english and scottish looks:

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/image...s_students.jpg

http://www.borderscollege.ac.uk/ckfi...l-Team-web.jpg

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/image...4_64656023.jpg

http://www.lcfc.com/cms_images/news/...75_478x359.jpg

http://www.news10.net/images/640/360...ans2-getty.jpg


The difference is obvious between British Islanders and Germanic people.
It's always a telling sign of weakness when someone needs to use other peoples quotes and opinions to bolster their own opinion. You can find vastly different opinions about any country in the world. There are Scandinavian individuals on these types of forums who declare their countries the purist examples of blond Nordic idealism. Others seek to educate about the lack of emphasis for the darker and more complex aspects. There are posters who only post light "northern" looking Spaniards and fly into a rage if anyone posts any pictures of Antonio Banderas or Penelope Cruz. Others emphasize the strong Mediterranean component. I suppose if I wanted to create some kind of agenda I could take quotes from whichever side I believed in, and claim a clear consensus proves I'm right.

I've seen many British posters take the **** out of you on other forums. I've seen a majority of Scandinavian posters opinion that English photographic examples more resemble themselves than the Spanish in voting poles. But that matters nothing coming from my mouth. You quoting others as proof of how right you are only shows how cheap your tactics are.

When you plaster these pages with cherry-pick videos and photos, I think I'll take the same attitude as you. You can post as many videos and photos as you want, and it'll never change a thing. In fact whatever proof you produce is going to be wrong and useless, because I'll always be right and you'll always be wrong. And if you thinks that's an immature and unprofessional statement and attitude, than you only have to look as far as your own state of mind to thank for it.
 
Old 12-05-2013, 03:11 AM
 
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Having seen a large majority of the 150+ million whites in America let me assure you I cannot even tell 'those people' apart anymore. Yes, Virginia it's true, they really do all Iook the same...

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Old 12-05-2013, 11:13 AM
 
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Having seen a large majority of the 150+ million whites in America let me assure you I cannot even tell 'those people' apart anymore. Yes, Virginia it's true, they really do all Iook the same...

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Because white americans are mixed, people who claim to be german, british, italian etc are mixed they just self-identify with those ancestries, travel in europe and you will see how all nationalities look different to eachother, thats the interesting thing about europe, every country has its own looks, culture, language.
 
Old 12-05-2013, 11:16 AM
 
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It's always a telling sign of weakness when someone needs to use other peoples quotes and opinions to bolster their own opinion. You can find vastly different opinions about any country in the world. There are Scandinavian individuals on these types of forums who declare their countries the purist examples of blond Nordic idealism. Others seek to educate about the lack of emphasis for the darker and more complex aspects. There are posters who only post light "northern" looking Spaniards and fly into a rage if anyone posts any pictures of Antonio Banderas or Penelope Cruz. Others emphasize the strong Mediterranean component. I suppose if I wanted to create some kind of agenda I could take quotes from whichever side I believed in, and claim a clear consensus proves I'm right.

I've seen many British posters take the **** out of you on other forums. I've seen a majority of Scandinavian posters opinion that English photographic examples more resemble themselves than the Spanish in voting poles. But that matters nothing coming from my mouth. You quoting others as proof of how right you are only shows how cheap your tactics are.

When you plaster these pages with cherry-pick videos and photos, I think I'll take the same attitude as you. You can post as many videos and photos as you want, and it'll never change a thing. In fact whatever proof you produce is going to be wrong and useless, because I'll always be right and you'll always be wrong. And if you thinks that's an immature and unprofessional statement and attitude, than you only have to look as far as your own state of mind to thank for it.

I have been to the UK and britain is diverse and darker than Scandinavia, Holland or even germany. I dont care emphatizing over certain type, nationalities have all their distinctive features but variation aswell. Also scandinavia is a large region and people from different regions and cities might have a different experience, for example large cities have had mixed ancestries for longer period time..
 
Old 12-05-2013, 11:15 PM
 
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I have been to the UK and britain is diverse and darker than Scandinavia, Holland or even germany. I dont care emphatizing over certain type, nationalities have all their distinctive features but variation aswell. Also scandinavia is a large region and people from different regions and cities might have a different experience, for example large cities have had mixed ancestries for longer period time..
So now you're using strawman arguments. No one is saying Britain isn't darker than Scandinavia. Parts of eastern England are comparable to parts of the Netherlands, but overall Britain is darker. But that doesn't mean the English are dark. If the Danes are darker than the Swedes, that doesn't mean the Danes are dark. Of course the Dutch are also commonly darker featured, so it's not at all like they are in a completely different league with the English. Germany is very diverse, and so at least England is in the same ballpark. If someone wants to say Germany's blonder, then that's fine, but Germany probably also has more exotic dark types. So based on averages, both countries are similar.

It really has nothing to do with rankings or who's blonder. It's your insistence that natural blondism is very rare even in England, and that you'll hardly ever see it there. And even more crazy is that any examples must surely be fake. That's a ridiculous and idiotic concept that has no basis except your dubious opinion and some cherry-picked photos of Celts. You quote some Scandinavians claiming the English have nothing to do with them, as if to believe their sentiments should erase actual historic fact. As if the good work of actual professional geneticists can just be turned off like a light switch at your leisure only because you don't like it. That not just absurd but arrogant. These English students, though they don't collectively look Swedish, at least resemble both the Dutch and Germans. Obviously there are several non natives there to account for
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7230/7...02e7bd85_k.jpg
Blondism is common there, contrary to what you say. But feel free to turn the light switch off if you don't like what you see, claiming some strange influx of Czech exchange students. This is what the English look like.
 
Old 12-05-2013, 11:52 PM
 
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Because white americans are mixed, people who claim to be german, british, italian etc are mixed they just self-identify with those ancestries, travel in europe and you will see how all nationalities look different to eachother, thats the interesting thing about europe, every country has its own looks, culture, language.
Nonsense. Everyone on Earth is 'mixed'. Europe being the biggest melting pot there is with countries overlapping and blending through various stages of conquest and immigration. Hell, half those countries didn't exist 1000 years ago!...which is relevant if you take into consideration the number of generations needed to affect phenotypic change.

Please, open a biology or history book before you post next time. Good day sir I said good day!



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