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Old 12-18-2013, 06:05 PM
 
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You wont stand among British and Irish people, In fact if you ever visit the UK you will see how so many people have similar coloring and features.

Take a look of this video of football fans, would you tell me the overwhelm of the supporters (ethnic english people)would make you stand out there?

Well she would not stand out in Germany, especially in the south, as well as the Netherlands either if that's the case.
Dutch woman
http://www.hdwallpapersinn.com/wp-co...re_5356085.jpg
This is not an uncommon look outside of the North, and even there it's not very rare.
Dutch Soccer squad
http://www.geschiedenis24.nl/.imagin...78%20%20WK.jpg
Only about a quarter are blond in a classifiable sense, and only 3 are true blonds. The rest are mostly medium and dark brown. They don't look Scandinavian in facial features, nor are they at all as light. The idea that the Dutch are to be categorized in a union with Scandinavia and Germany away from Britain is ridiculous. They actually overall look much more like the English than Swedes.
Miss Germany
http://www1.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/D...6xIHFNGyPl.jpg
Again a common look in Germany, and a frequent one in the south plus Switzerland and Austria.

This video that you've posted some 50 times on as many different forums, is of Birmingham fans. There are lots of obvious non-Anglo people, including the guy in the black jacket and the guy with the hood on the video cover still. Despite that, they honestly overall don't look any darker than typical southern Germans. They certainly don't look Spanish. It's from one of the darkest regions of England outside of Cornwall.

Last edited by Mmega; 12-18-2013 at 06:51 PM..

 
Old 12-18-2013, 07:52 PM
 
Location: Shaw.
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Originally Posted by KathrynAragon View Post
I'm predominately British/Irish however - and 98 percent Northern European. I don't look stereotypically "British or Irish."
You look like a very pleasant person. I don't know if you look stereotypically British, but you look British enough (or Irish enough) that it doesn't surprise me.
 
Old 12-18-2013, 11:23 PM
 
Location: Shaw.
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Who's the "average American" in this picture?

 
Old 12-18-2013, 11:32 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Mmega View Post
Well she would not stand out in Germany, especially in the south, as well as the Netherlands either if that's the case.
Dutch woman
http://www.hdwallpapersinn.com/wp-co...re_5356085.jpg
This is not an uncommon look outside of the North, and even there it's not very rare.
Dutch Soccer squad
http://www.geschiedenis24.nl/.imagin...78%20%20WK.jpg
Only about a quarter are blond in a classifiable sense, and only 3 are true blonds. The rest are mostly medium and dark brown. They don't look Scandinavian in facial features, nor are they at all as light. The idea that the Dutch are to be categorized in a union with Scandinavia and Germany away from Britain is ridiculous. They actually overall look much more like the English than Swedes.
Miss Germany
http://www1.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/D...6xIHFNGyPl.jpg
Again a common look in Germany, and a frequent one in the south plus Switzerland and Austria.

This video that you've posted some 50 times on as many different forums, is of Birmingham fans. There are lots of obvious non-Anglo people, including the guy in the black jacket and the guy with the hood on the video cover still. Despite that, they honestly overall don't look any darker than typical southern Germans. They certainly don't look Spanish. It's from one of the darkest regions of England outside of Cornwall.

Dutch team from 1998, take away the black players, many are blondes and even the brown haired have germanic facial structure, unlike the english people.

Its in fact many of scandinavia having baltic looks specially central/northern norway and sweden, I have traveled to those countries you speak from under a stone based on anthropologist from 200 years ago who never ever visited europe and a few pictures.

dutch are much lighter and taller than brits on average, I have been to both countries many times.. If you believe they look alike you are either being naive or you have never left your basement.


Dutch

http://vorige.nrc.nl/multimedia/dyna...al_224064a.jpg

http://www.rtvbodegraven.nl/userfile...ari%202010.jpg

http://www.wageningenur.nl/upload_mm...op_490x330.jpg

http://semmelweis-egyetem.hu/english...4345_681px.jpg

http://www.vacaturesbijpostnl.nl/wp-...sedag-2012.jpg


British students

http://www.ucb.ac.uk/content/images/...e-students.jpg

http://www.ucb.ac.uk/content/images/...e-marriner.jpg


http://www2.bcu.ac.uk/news/releases0...holarships.jpg

http://cdn.newsday.com/polopoly_fs/1..._600/image.JPG






where are the germanic features? they all have typical celtic features like michael carrick..

Last edited by Traveler86; 12-18-2013 at 11:47 PM..
 
Old 12-18-2013, 11:43 PM
 
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Who's the "average American" in this picture?
From whatpart of america are they?
 
Old 12-19-2013, 12:33 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Traveler86 View Post
Dutch team from 1998, take away the black players, many are blondes and even the brown haired have germanic facial structure, unlike the english people.

Its in fact many of scandinavia having baltic looks specially central/northern norway and sweden, I have traveled to those countries you speak from under a stone based on anthropologist from 200 years ago who never ever visited europe and a few pictures.

dutch are much lighter and taller than brits on average, I have been to both countries many times.. If you believe they look alike you are either being naive or you have never left your basement.


Dutch

http://vorige.nrc.nl/multimedia/dyna...al_224064a.jpg

http://www.rtvbodegraven.nl/userfile...ari%202010.jpg

http://www.wageningenur.nl/upload_mm...op_490x330.jpg

http://semmelweis-egyetem.hu/english...4345_681px.jpg

http://www.vacaturesbijpostnl.nl/wp-...sedag-2012.jpg


British students

http://www.ucb.ac.uk/content/images/...e-students.jpg

http://www.ucb.ac.uk/content/images/...e-marriner.jpg


http://www2.bcu.ac.uk/news/releases0...holarships.jpg

http://cdn.newsday.com/polopoly_fs/1..._600/image.JPG






where are the germanic features? they all have typical celtic features like michael carrick..
You need to do a better job cherrypicking, because most of those English students would fit easily in the Netherlands and NW Germany. Don't discard that 70's Dutch team photo because you don't like it, and replace it with whatever you want. It's a large sample of native players, and the vast majority are not uber Nordic. Michael Carrick would easily fit in that photo, as well as any team photo.

The problem with you is that you equate any "Germanic" involvement in Britain with a stereotypical blond Scandinavian appearance, and when you see that the English don't all look like the most Nordic Swedes you feel it confirms all of your beliefs. But the Dutch and Germans are also only a mix of occasional "Germanic" looking types and other mixed and "Celtic" types you see in those British photos. But you hide your head in the sand, close your eyes, and claim one side is purely Celtic and the other is this completely unrelated race apart.

To cap it all off, there are Germanic looking individuals, as well as Germanic/Celtic hybrids in those photos of British students you provided. Maybe not so much the one's with literally more than half foreign non Britons that you obviously cherrypicked to get the Britons with the right look.
 
Old 12-19-2013, 05:39 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Mmega View Post
You need to do a better job cherrypicking, because most of those English students would fit easily in the Netherlands and NW Germany. Don't discard that 70's Dutch team photo because you don't like it, and replace it with whatever you want. It's a large sample of native players, and the vast majority are not uber Nordic. Michael Carrick would easily fit in that photo, as well as any team photo.

The problem with you is that you equate any "Germanic" involvement in Britain with a stereotypical blond Scandinavian appearance, and when you see that the English don't all look like the most Nordic Swedes you feel it confirms all of your beliefs. But the Dutch and Germans are also only a mix of occasional "Germanic" looking types and other mixed and "Celtic" types you see in those British photos. But you hide your head in the sand, close your eyes, and claim one side is purely Celtic and the other is this completely unrelated race apart.

To cap it all off, there are Germanic looking individuals, as well as Germanic/Celtic hybrids in those photos of British students you provided. Maybe not so much the one's with literally more than half foreign non Britons that you obviously cherrypicked to get the Britons with the right look.
Mmega reading your posts you obviously know a bit about genetics. The thing that annoys me is the labelling of Germanic and Celtic. These are more language groups than genes. If there is a difference between "Celtic" and "Germanic" genes why isn't there a more pronounced divide between places like Ireland and Britain? From looking at genetic cluster maps it is obvious that the original populations of Ireland, Britain and neighbouring Northern European countries must have been of a fairly similar source anyway otherwise how can you explain the clustering?


 
Old 12-19-2013, 06:09 AM
 
Location: SE UK
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Originally Posted by Mmega View Post
Well she would not stand out in Germany, especially in the south, as well as the Netherlands either if that's the case.
Dutch woman
http://www.hdwallpapersinn.com/wp-co...re_5356085.jpg
This is not an uncommon look outside of the North, and even there it's not very rare.
Dutch Soccer squad
http://www.geschiedenis24.nl/.imagin...78%20%20WK.jpg
Only about a quarter are blond in a classifiable sense, and only 3 are true blonds. The rest are mostly medium and dark brown. They don't look Scandinavian in facial features, nor are they at all as light. The idea that the Dutch are to be categorized in a union with Scandinavia and Germany away from Britain is ridiculous. They actually overall look much more like the English than Swedes.
Miss Germany
http://www1.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/D...6xIHFNGyPl.jpg
Again a common look in Germany, and a frequent one in the south plus Switzerland and Austria.

This video that you've posted some 50 times on as many different forums, is of Birmingham fans. There are lots of obvious non-Anglo people, including the guy in the black jacket and the guy with the hood on the video cover still. Despite that, they honestly overall don't look any darker than typical southern Germans. They certainly don't look Spanish. It's from one of the darkest regions of England outside of Cornwall.
How the hell do you know that!!? I can almost guarantee that just about everybody at a Birmingham City match are going to be English! lol
 
Old 12-19-2013, 06:38 AM
 
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How the hell do you know that!!? I can almost guarantee that just about everybody at a Birmingham City match are going to be English! lol
Yes most of the people in that are just English. I don't know why Traveller keeps posting it numerous times though? Most of them are just young men with hoods on. I don't know what's so special about that particular clip?
 
Old 12-19-2013, 07:34 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Mmega View Post
You need to do a better job cherrypicking, because most of those English students would fit easily in the Netherlands and NW Germany. Don't discard that 70's Dutch team photo because you don't like it, and replace it with whatever you want. It's a large sample of native players, and the vast majority are not uber Nordic. Michael Carrick would easily fit in that photo, as well as any team photo.

The problem with you is that you equate any "Germanic" involvement in Britain with a stereotypical blond Scandinavian appearance, and when you see that the English don't all look like the most Nordic Swedes you feel it confirms all of your beliefs. But the Dutch and Germans are also only a mix of occasional "Germanic" looking types and other mixed and "Celtic" types you see in those British photos. But you hide your head in the sand, close your eyes, and claim one side is purely Celtic and the other is this completely unrelated race apart.

To cap it all off, there are Germanic looking individuals, as well as Germanic/Celtic hybrids in those photos of British students you provided. Maybe not so much the one's with literally more than half foreign non Britons that you obviously cherrypicked to get the Britons with the right look.
Its not cherrypicked, ask anybody who has traveled to those countries, I would never confuse a group of brits with a group of dutch or northern german.s, and even southern german people have a more continental look, brits look very diferent from any other european but the Irish. And not all scandinavians look the same, people in western norway look nothing like people in Jutland. In fact there are even more people who could pass for british men in western norway and Iceland than anywhere in the Netherlands or Germany, (more atlantic strains there).

Its you who neve ever left America because from the Laymans perspective nobody would ever find similar the British to anyother group than Irish people, but you will insist ,because you are too young or you are just to obsessed to prove the english are as germanic as germans or even the Dutch people.., when on reality its not even close.. English look just like other British Islanders and very similar to Irish people, a group of dutch or Germans would stand out in the UK, specially the former.


Dutch people who looks like michael carrick? Oh please..

http://thesidelineagenda.com/wp-cont...el-Carrick.jpg
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