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Originally Posted by Tom Lennox 70
Might add St. Louis as an "old" city despite the very impressive waterfront there. But once you get past the downtown waterfront the city is pretty gritty.
If St. Louis were gentrified the same way Boston and San Francisco were, it would be one of America's most charming and architecturally attractive cities for sure. It has a large stock of beautiful 19th century infrastructure, it's a crime to see so much of it wallowing in ruins.
I do like St. Louis more than Philly and most New Jersey cities. The downtown and waterfront is very impressive and I enjoyed visiting St. Louis on my cross country road trip. Kansas City does feel a lot newer than St. Louis overall but KC is still not super new the way Denver is.
You have no idea what you are talking about. I doubt you have ever even stepped foot in the places you are bashing.
Again, nobody said the southern cities didn't have historic charm; but to say that northern cities don't shows that you are making completely baseless claims off of some un-warranted disdain for a region it is very clear you have spent little to no time in. Take a walk through downtown Boston, walk the freedom trail. Stroll through center-city Philadelphia, or Albany, Buffalo, or Rochester NY...historic neighborhoods that housed some of the leaders in the abolitionist and suffragist movements .....open your eyes a little and see past your bias and I think you'll be able to find charm outside the box of the ante-bellum south being the only form of "historical charm"
Savannah has the largest historic district in the United States .
This is quite obviously wrong. There are something like a half million people in NYC alone living in historic districts, including some districts with a population comparable to the entirety of Savannah proper.
Savannah and Charleston have small historic cores compared to pretty much any major city in the Northeast. New Orleans is somewhat bigger, but still small compared to a city like Boston and Philly (and please don't compare to NYC).
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Well the thread topic is based completely on subjective opinion, but I think this area in Chelsea, MA https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Chels...216.05,,0,6.92
is probably what the OP means, Old but not particularly attractive.
Well the thread topic is based completely on subjective opinion, but I think this area in Chelsea, MA https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Chels...216.05,,0,6.92
is probably what the OP means, Old but not particularly attractive.
I don't think that looks particularly unattractive. Looks pretty decent to me. The architecture looks more solid than probably anywhere in the South. If it were in Brooklyn there would probably be hipsters everywhere and cute boutiques.
And you can't compare a few touristy blocks in downtown Savannah to some random working class suburb of Boston. Compare working class parts of Savannah, which are filled with shotgun shacks and the like.
Well the thread topic is based completely on subjective opinion, but I think this area in Chelsea, MA https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Chels...216.05,,0,6.92
is probably what the OP means, Old but not particularly attractive.
Yes this is exactly what I mean! And even those pics in Syracuse mostly just seem "old". Honestly that does not have the kind of historic charm you find in South Carolina and Georgia. The street view in Chelsea MA is extremely depressing to me. And the thing is for whatever it costs to live in that neighborhood, you can probably live in a brand new townhouse subdivision in North Carolina, and a nice single family home with your own land in West Virginia.
A lot of Baltimore looks like this Chelsea picture except its not as well maintained. While the Chelsea street isn't particularly charming it does not feel run down or slummy.
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