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Old 12-20-2014, 02:17 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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I get the feeling it really is upsetting to you that so many Americans are moving towards the idea of breaking up the behemoth that doesn't work anymore. What are you so afraid of?
I think assigning people emotions (such as fear) weakens your stance as a respectable adult. Makes you seems immature. Ultimately it weakens your argument, but many "Cascadians" choose the same tactic: call people names and discredit, when they disagree.
The NW would not exist in its present form, without the intervention of the federal government.
As for NW people being intrinsically different from other Americans, that is just benign xenophobia mixed with an intense need for special attention.
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Old 12-20-2014, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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I get the feeling it really is upsetting to you that so many Americans are moving towards the idea of breaking up the behemoth that doesn't work anymore. What are you so afraid of?
Stop whining already. This country has survived becoming an independent nation surrounded by three imperial super powers, it has survived the great depression and great recession, two world wars, and the cold war. If anything it proves that this country does work really well.
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Old 12-20-2014, 06:55 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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A movement in which white people claim they are special compared to the rest of the country...
I think you are thinking of the Klan.
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Old 12-21-2014, 04:19 AM
 
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A movement in which white people claim they are special compared to the rest of the country...
I think you are thinking of the Klan.
A lot of gay and nonwhite people support Cascadia. Most all of the Cascadian supporters I know are staunch anti-racists.
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Old 12-21-2014, 06:49 AM
 
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Grouping people by ecology makes more sense than what the human race has done thus far.
Group people by ecology? People are not Ferns you know
I really don't think living by a swamp makes you inherently different from a person who lives on a plain.
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Old 12-21-2014, 07:01 AM
 
Location: Wonderland
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I get the feeling it really is upsetting to you that so many Americans are moving towards the idea of breaking up the behemoth that doesn't work anymore. What are you so afraid of?
What are your feelings on the goals of the Cascadia movement? Since we're talking about feelings.
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Old 12-21-2014, 07:11 AM
 
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Problem i see with this hypothetical Cascadia scenario is more than half of the land involved isnt in America but comprises the entire province of British Columbia.=
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If Canada doesnt want to let a major portion of its west separate it kinda renders this harebrained scheme a whole lot less grandiose eh!

I think America is a much stronger nation if it remains united rather than having huge chunks of it separating into smaller fiefdoms that will ultimately go to war with each other over some triviality.
I think a more logical way would be to fix the problems you feel you have rather than breaking up the country.
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Old 12-21-2014, 08:55 AM
 
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Group people by ecology? People are not Ferns you know
I really don't think living by a swamp makes you inherently different from a person who lives on a plain.
Ecology encompasses way more than ferns and swamps. I stand behind my belief that people should group themselves together using common ground like socio-cultural or socio-environmental factors rather than history or war.

I have come to believe that people in the Pacific northwest may have much more in common with British Columbia than California; just like the people in Maine have much more in common with the Canadian Maritime provinces than Massachusetts.

What is Social Ecology? | School of Social Ecology
"A modern definition of social ecology understands it as the interactions within the social, institutional, and cultural contexts of people-environment relations that make up well-being. This approach adopts an explicitly systemic approach in focusing on the interdependencies of social systems. Thus, such an approach focuses on the possibility that the foundations of ecological crises can lie in social structures, or that civil war can originate from environmental scarcity, or the multiple cause-and-effect relationships linking SES status and health. These phenomena beg for approaches that are cognizant of system complexity."
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Old 12-21-2014, 09:14 AM
 
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Ecology encompasses way more than ferns and swamps. I stand behind my belief that people should group themselves together using common ground like socio-cultural or socio-environmental factors rather than history or war.

I have come to believe that people in the Pacific northwest may have much more in common with British Columbia than California; just like the people in Maine have much more in common with the Canadian Maritime provinces than Massachusetts.

What is Social Ecology? | School of Social Ecology
"A modern definition of social ecology understands it as the interactions within the social, institutional, and cultural contexts of people-environment relations that make up well-being. This approach adopts an explicitly systemic approach in focusing on the interdependencies of social systems. Thus, such an approach focuses on the possibility that the foundations of ecological crises can lie in social structures, or that civil war can originate from environmental scarcity, or the multiple cause-and-effect relationships linking SES status and health. These phenomena beg for approaches that are cognizant of system complexity."
People of West Virginia and Vermont live in the same mountains, but they are very very different.
Also if you grouped the desert SW into a country sepreate from its water source ( CO/WY). Lbased on ecology of the regions it would case more problems than it would solve.
Also Maine and Mass are similar they would still be the same state if not for the need for a balanced Senate in 1820.
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Old 12-21-2014, 09:41 AM
 
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Also Maine and Mass are similar they would still be the same state if not for the need for a balanced Senate in 1820.
No, once again you demonstrate your inability to separate political history from socio-cultural factors. Just because the two states were one political territory over 195 years ago does not mean the people are anything alike today. I have lived for several years in both states and people in Maine are nothing like people in Massachusetts. It takes a very unique type of person to survive and thrive in Maine. Just any old jamoke from Massachusetts will not be able to cut it.
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