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Old 06-26-2014, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Your nebulous point was that people "underestimate" the "dangers" of Oshkosh and overestimate the dangers of ESL. A dog could literally parse that data. I rightly pointed out that you were full of it, and no one has come to your defense because your statement was ridiculous.
Well, you fell short of the dog competency level, then. I said nothing about the safety of Oshkosh, and about ESL, only that it (and everywhere else, including Oshkosh) is less dangerous than most scaredy-cats think it is. Which the video suggested (although it proved nothing except that the poster could not find any evidence of any more threatening street activity).

For your benefit alone, here's what I really said (everyone else got it, whether they agreed with it or not). The average American's perception of Oshkosh is that it is more dangerous than ESL actually is. It would actually be safe to park in a supermarket parking lot in ESL, even after dark, and wheel you groceries in a cart to your car, and not worry about anything. Thousands of people do it every day. But most people would be scared to do that in Oshkosh. Children could play unmonitored in a park in ESL, and make friends with other kids, and have a good time, but parents in Oshkosh would be afraid to let their kids do that. Get it?

See if you can guess (without peeking) which of these is in Oshkosh and which is in East St. Louis.

https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&l...72.89,,0,17.53

https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&l...128.71,,0,9.36

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Old 06-26-2014, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Milwaukee
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For your benefit alone, here's what I really said (everyone else got it, whether they agreed with it or not). The average American's perception of Oshkosh is that it is more dangerous than ESL actually is. It would actually be safe to park in a supermarket parking lot in ESL, even after dark, and wheel you groceries in a cart to your car, and not worry about anything. Thousands of people do it every day. But most people would be scared to do that in Oshkosh. Children could play unmonitored in a park in ESL, and make friends with other kids, and have a good time, but parents in Oshkosh would be afraid to let their kids do that. Get it?
I'm not sure I understand this. I used to live in Oshkosh, and I don't know of anyone who was afraid to let their kids play in a park. That's how my son met pretty much all of the friends he didn't meet in school.

I also think you substituted a "ESL" for "Oshkosh" in the bold portion, but I'm not sure which of the two was substituted.
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Old 06-26-2014, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Auburn, New York
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Most of Syracuse looks like it had suffered the zombie apocalypse, all of the city south of downtown, Lodi Street on the Northside, and East Fayette specifically. Syracuse looks more burnt out, dilapidated, and gang-infested than anywhere in Chicago (where I lived for eight years), but in terms of actual crime, Syracuse is actually pretty safe.
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Old 06-26-2014, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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I'm not sure I understand this. I used to live in Oshkosh, and I don't know of anyone who was afraid to let their kids play in a park. That's how my son met pretty much all of the friends he didn't meet in school.

I also think you substituted a "ESL" for "Oshkosh" in the bold portion, but I'm not sure which of the two was substituted.
Why is this so difficult? I am comparing two things:

A) level of fear that typical Americans feel in unfamiliar places like Oshkosh, scale 1-10

B) level of danger that actually exists in places like East St. Louis, scale 1-10.

A is higher, because Americans have been indoctrinated with the media hype that there is so much danger everywhere. So, East St. Louis is "unbelievably safe", because it is safer than people believe it is. So is Oshkosh, where you don't need to lock your car, but people believe they do. So both meet the criteria of "unbelievably safe", and so does everywhere else.

Take, for example, the number of children, per year, in the whole USA who are abducted by strangers and not returned unharmed within 24 hours. What is your guess of how many, per year. Actual number below.

Spoiler
Fifty. An average of 115 stranger abductions, more than half returned quickly and unharmed.

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Old 06-26-2014, 11:42 PM
 
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I live in Sioux falls SD an its very safe here. Really the most dangerous people here are the police, the attourneys and the judges. Don't come up here an argue with a woman on a street corner, you are going to jail and one thing Sioux falls loves more than anything is throwing the book at people and handing out long prison sentances.

that's why there so little crime here. People are afraid of the police and the system here. There fears are very justified.

but there's still thieves, meth heads and general lowlife losers here. Like anywhere its mostly how you carry yourself and who you affiliate yourself with.
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Old 06-27-2014, 07:38 AM
 
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Most of Syracuse looks like it had suffered the zombie apocalypse, all of the city south of downtown, Lodi Street on the Northside, and East Fayette specifically. Syracuse looks more burnt out, dilapidated, and gang-infested than anywhere in Chicago (where I lived for eight years), but in terms of actual crime, Syracuse is actually pretty safe.
Yes, those are some of the poorest and oldest parts of the city, but like I tell everyone, it really is a "Don't start none and there will be none" city, in that regard. To be fair, there are some very nice areas of the city, including south of Downtown like this area, for an example:
http://goo.gl/maps/hlV46

So, even within Syracuse, you can get a range of neighborhoods on the same side of town.
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Old 06-27-2014, 07:53 AM
 
Location: Mid-Atlantic
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Virginia Beach, huh? It's not that there isn't any crime, but the police respond quickly. They want a clean town where people want to vacation and spend money.
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