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Old 10-03-2014, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Mid-Michigan by way of Northern New Hampshire
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What's a "liberal" definition? I looked up liberal in the dictionary and got...






Not sure how that mixes in...
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You're disregarding the traditional culture of the "South" in order to fit some agenda that I'm not figuring out. Have any of you actually been to the South? I've been to Delaware and a few Southern states and I found that Delaware had more in common with Pennsylvania and New Jersey than even Virginia.
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Old 10-03-2014, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Derby, CT
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#1

You're disregarding the traditional culture of the "South" in order to fit some agenda that I'm not figuring out. Have any of you actually been to the South? I've been to Delaware and a few Southern states and I found that Delaware had more in common with Pennsylvania and New Jersey than even Virginia.
I have not once said that there was a cultural commonality... I live in the south and have lived in VA and NC as well as the northern states (I'm from the north). I'm well aware of the differences between "southern" people in the stereotypical sense and cultural sense and do not attribute Delaware with these properties.

I'm merely saying that the geographical definition of the south does not change borders. Southern states are southern states no matter how many changes you make to the cultural makeup.

I'm fine with the grey area of Delaware. Maryland however is not so grey to me, it is a southern state. It may not be as southern as most all of the other states, but it is still southern regardless.




edit: The first definition would mean that all those who would like to move MD into the northern region are the ones who are discarding "traditional" definitions in favor of it's newer cultural makeup. I'm not advocating that.
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Old 10-03-2014, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Mid-Michigan by way of Northern New Hampshire
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I have not once said that there was a cultural commonality... I live in the south and have lived in VA and NC as well as the northern states (I'm from the north). I'm well aware of the differences between "southern" people in the stereotypical sense and cultural sense and do not attribute Delaware with these properties.

I'm merely saying that the geographical definition of the south does not change borders. Southern states are southern states no matter how many changes you make to the cultural makeup.

I'm fine with the grey area of Delaware. Maryland however is not so grey to me, it is a southern state. It may not be as southern as most all of the other states, but it is still southern regardless.




edit: The first definition would mean that all those who would like to move MD into the northern region are the ones who are discarding "traditional" definitions in favor of it's newer cultural makeup. I'm not advocating that.
I've always thought a more appropriate way to divide the eastern seaboard is like this:

New England: ME, NH, VT, MA, CT, RI
Mid-Atlantic: NY, NJ, PA, DE, MD
Southeast: NC, SC, GA, FL

There's almost no historical tie between New Jersey and New Hampshire but yet we all agree that they're "Northeastern" states. And honestly, Delaware has more historical ties to Pennsylvania than any Southern state.
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Old 10-03-2014, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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There's almost no historical tie between New Jersey and New Hampshire but yet we all agree that they're "Northeastern" states. And honestly, Delaware has more historical ties to Pennsylvania than any Southern state.
eschaton already did a post on Delaware's history in either this thread or some other thread still floating around. Apparently, the lower 2/3rds of the State, which some refer to as the "Slower Lower," were settled by people moving eastward from Tidewater Virginia and the Eastern Shore of Maryland. I have never read anything about Wilmington being a city of southern culture, however. And to my knowledge, there aren't any historical artifacts that suggest it ever was.

Baltimore and DC were once firmly southern cities. That much should be clear. Today, they don't seem very southern as much of the southern culture has been diluted (at least in the White population). This site refers to the phenomenon as "cultural cleansing."

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Essentially, an area like Atlanta is ‘New South’ to the extent that Southerners have been pushed aside by non-Southerners. Imagine taking a city like Moscow, making it majority non-Russian by bringing in people from all over the world, replacing the traditional Russian culture of the city, and then called it ‘New Russian.’ Or imagine making Rome majority non-Italian and calling it ‘New Italian.’ When you get right down to it, what is going on in places like Atlanta is a process of ethnic/cultural cleansing. The native population which built the city and gave it its culture is being replaced. And we are told that this is ‘progress’ and that Atlanta is an example of the ‘New South’ which should be replicated throughout Dixie. We should understand that the people who advocate such a thing are advocating the ethnic/cultural cleansing of the Southern people and culture.
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Old 10-03-2014, 02:50 PM
 
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eschaton already did a post on Delaware's history in either this thread or some other thread still floating around. Apparently, the lower 2/3rds of the State, which some refer to as the "Slower Lower," were settled by people moving eastward from Tidewater Virginia and the Eastern Shore of Maryland. I have never read anything about Wilmington being a city of southern culture, however. And to my knowledge, there aren't any historical artifacts that suggest it ever was.

Baltimore and DC were once firmly southern cities. That much should be clear. Today, they don't seem very southern as much of the southern culture has been diluted (at least in the White population). This site refers to the phenomenon as "cultural cleansing."



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The migration from the southern states to Delaware doesn't make Delaware a southern state.
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Old 10-03-2014, 03:38 PM
 
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Fenway Freak what about VA??
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Old 10-03-2014, 09:04 PM
 
Location: Mid-Michigan by way of Northern New Hampshire
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Fenway Freak what about VA??
Oops

I forgot to throw that in the Southeast.
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Old 10-04-2014, 08:54 AM
 
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You should start calling West Virginia a northeastern state because most of West Virginia is on the same latitude as Maryland, Delaware, New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Ohio. West Virginians should look north, not south if they want to define their own state in one region.
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Old 10-04-2014, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Derby, CT
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You should start calling West Virginia a northeastern state because most of West Virginia is on the same latitude as Maryland, Delaware, New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Ohio. West Virginians should look north, not south if they want to define their own state in one region.
^^ This is what I mean by "a waste of effort"! ^^
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Old 10-04-2014, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Jersey City
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^^ This is what I mean by "a waste of effort"! ^^
I agree with you here. After nearly 500 posts over the better part of a year, Mupps has made it abundantly clear that history, culture, vocabulary, accents, food, religious and ethnic composition, flora and fauna, etc., have no place in defining a region. Imaginary grid lines on a map are the ONLY tool you can use. So pick a good, straight line, at random, and stick to it.

You can state your arguments to the contrary, but it will not be a two-way conversation. It is a waste of effort.
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