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If you honestly believe Pennsylvania is a border state then I don't know what more I could say to you.
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In both cases, Republican inroads resulted more from a hopelessly divided Democratic party than a change in public opinion about antislavery politics. Pennsylvania was a border state, and it was often unclear on what side of that border the state stood.
I see qualities of both north and south in MD, but ft forced to choose, I find more northern qualities in MD over than southern. These are just some of the reasons why. Polls you have provided links to show that I am not the only one who sees the state that way. No surprise to me. Whether it's the majority view, the minority view or Bajan's view, it makes no difference to me. It's my view. You can accept and understand that or be mystified by it, I guess.
That' all well and good. Now let's consider what the thread topic is again.
Which states are considered northeastern?
So in light of your statement above, what are the states we can say, without equivocation, are northeastern?
Maine
Vermont
New Hampshire
Massachusetts
Rhode Island
Connecticut
New York
New Jersey
Pennsylvania
Here are the 5 largest white ethnic populations from the Northeastern cities of Philly, Boston and NYC vs the neutral/gray area cities of Baltimore and DC (the percentages are the percentage that the specific group is of the entire city)
Notice how Philly, Boston and NYC are much more ethnically similar to each other than Baltimore and DC.
I also put the white and hispanic ethnicities that are the most associated with the Northeast in bold imo (Puerto Ricans and Dominicans for Hispanics and Italians and Irish for whites)
Philadelphia city
Irish - 206,582 (13.6%)
Italian - 140,139 (9.2%)
German - 123,058 (8.1%)
Polish - 65,508 (4.3%)
English - 44,513 (2.9%)
United States - 27,843 (1.8%)
Russian - 26,375 (1.7%)
Boston city
Irish - 93,360 (15.8%)
Italian - 49,017 (8.3%)
English - 26,384 (4.5%)
German - 24,426 (4.1%)
United States - 19,387 (3.3%)
Polish - 13,704 (2.3%)
French - 10,960 (1.9%)
New York city
Italian - 692,739 (8.7%)
Irish - 421,646 (5.3%)
German - 255,536 (3.2%)
Russian - 243,015 (3.0%)
United States - 238,385 (3.0%)
Polish - 213,447 (2.7%)
English - 124,821 (1.6%)
VS
Baltimore city
German - 48,423 (7.4%) Irish - 39,045 (6.0%)
English - 21,015 (3.2%) Italian - 18,492 (2.8%)
Polish - 18,400 (2.8%)
United States - 16,056 (2.5%)
Russian - 5,526 (0.8%)
Washington DC city
Irish*- 28,207 (4.9%)*
German - 27,415 (4.8%)*
English - 25,214 (4.4%)* Italian - 12,587 (2.2%)*
United States - 9,919 (1.7%)*
Russian - 8,338 (1.5%)
Polish*- 7,910 (1.4%)
Now let's consider what the thread topic is again.
Which states are considered northeastern?
So in light of your statement above, what are the states we can say, without equivocation, are northeastern?
Here is the actual topic of the thread:
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Originally Posted by muppethammer26
There is no clear definition of the Northeast, the smallest definition only includes the six New England states and New York, while the largest definition includes anything north of the Ohio and Potomac Rivers and east of the Mississippi River. The most common definition includes the New England (ME, NH, VT, MA, RI, CT) states and the Mid Atlantic (NY, NJ, PA, DE, MD, DC) states. Sometimes, the Northeast even reaches as south as the Virginias. The definition of the Northeast could be changed at anytime. The original definition only included ME, NH, VT, MA, RI, CT, NY, NJ, DE, PA and that happened when this country was still new. MD used to be considered a southeastern colony, but overtime, MD became more northeastern.
Which states do you considered Northeastern?
And so, here is my response: CT, DE, ME, MD, MA, NH, NJ, NY, PA, RI, VT
^^Metro is a better barometer since much of the White ethnic populations in these cities have moved to the burbs.
Boston, NYC, and Philly are the only cities where White Catholics and Jews make up a majority of the non-Hispanic White population. The numbers for Baltimore are significantly less (about right in the middle between these cities and Richmond). DC is much closer to Richmond.
And so, here is my response: CT, DE, ME, MD, MA, NH, NJ, NY, PA, RI, VT
I would personally add Virginia and Northeastern North Carolina to this list. These states are getting all of the same transplants Maryland is getting.
And if that commentary below isnt any form of attention whoring then there really is a Beach that exists in Colorado.
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Originally Posted by TexasReb
Most know this, but for those who may be new, please don't waste your time nor keyboard ink replying to this $mk character. This poster shows up periodically -- and has for years -- trying to provoke a response by the most outlandish comments and ranting...which is obviously calculated to get attention. That is all it is.
Pay no attention to the person, and (whoever it is) will go away, finally. To respond simply eggs it on. Of course, I would recommend not "officially" put the person on ignore, as that might be construed as giving the lunacy of the posts some actual respect. Instead, just wave it off and ignore them like you would an irritating song on the radio.
That' all well and good. Now let's consider what the thread topic is again.
Which states are considered northeastern?
So in light of your statement above, what are the states we can say, without equivocation, are northeastern?
Maine
Vermont
New Hampshire
Massachusetts
Rhode Island
Connecticut
New York
New Jersey
Pennsylvania
And there you have it. Everything else is noise.
Even PA west of the proclamiation line of 1763 and NY west of the Finger lakes have an economy and culture and cuisine more in tune with the Midwest than NE
Based on the opinion below that would make North Carolina a Northern State....
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Originally Posted by NOLA101
Northeastern is DC area to Maine. So basically NoVa to Canadian border. Once you leave DC suburbs, it's the South.
And Maryland is NOT part of the South. In 1900 yes, but now, no, not even close. When I think of Northeastern feel, it's probably the most Northeastern state after NY/NJ/CT. High income, urban, educated, filled with transplants, transit oriented, etc.
There's a tiny part of rural Maryland, basically Charles County and south, that has a bit of a Southern feel, in that it's rural former tobacco country and old timers have accents. But that's like 2% of Maryland population; and you can get Southern-associated accents as far north as the southern tier of NY State, with the Appalachian accents associated with W. Virginia that are also extending into PA and even a tiny bit into the mountains in NY State.
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