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Old 08-14-2014, 08:16 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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If people think that the Italian-Irish influence is a distinction of the northeast in modern times, I can give that some relevance (even though it is being exaggerated here). By the way, I have been to Italy and New York and Philadelphia are not like any Italian cities I visited.
I have been to Africa and Atlanta and DC are not like any African cities I visited.

Though I suppose that's why they call them African-Americans....

How is the Italian-Irish influence being exaggerated, btw?
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Old 08-14-2014, 09:16 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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How is the Italian-Irish influence being exaggerated, btw?
Because other ethnicities and groups now dominate the northeastern population. On top of that, modern Italian and Irish Americans are largely indistinguishable from the mainstream population. Most of them are not "ethnic" anymore.

In New York City, for example, African Americans are 25% of the population. Latino Americans are 28%. Asian Americans 12%. Altogether, that is 65% of New York City's population. And they are much more influential to the actual culture. And that is what one actually encounters when visiting the boroughs of the city.

On top of that, the affluent people in the northeast don't think much in terms of ethnicity anyway. It's all about the money.
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On top of that, the affluent people in the northeast don't think much in terms of ethnicity anyway. It's all about the money.
Well-off Italian-Americans, especially older ones sometimes do. Most Italian-Americans are the suburbs now. Not sure why you brought up affluent residents, though.
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Old 08-14-2014, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Because other ethnicities and groups now dominate the northeastern population. On top of that, modern Italian and Irish Americans are largely indistinguishable from the mainstream population. Most of them are not "ethnic" anymore.

In New York City, for example, African Americans are 25% of the population. Latino Americans are 28%. Asian Americans 12%. Altogether, that is 65% of New York City's population. And they are much more influential to the actual culture. And that is what one actually encounters when visiting the boroughs of the city.
You seem to be all over the place here. First, Blacks didn't really matter. Then Puerto Ricans didn't matter. Now White Ethnics don't matter. Who matters then? It's clear you think rich, educated White people do, even though I've already demonstrated that whites with college degrees make up a minority of the non-Hispanic White population in the Boston, NYC and Philly metros. What you see in the West Village or Murray Hill is not representative of the 22 million person Tri-State region.

There is an ethnic consciousness in the Northeast today that is, as Kidphilly says, palpable. That doesn't mean that most Italian-Americans look like Vito Andolini in the Godfather when he first arrived at Ellis Island. It means, more than anything, that there's a strong collective identity. But even in some of the expressive elements of culture--food, religion, dialect, etc--the influence of these different groups is still strongly felt today. The stereotypical New York accent, for example, is largely influenced by New York's White ethnic community.

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On top of that, the affluent people in the northeast don't think much in terms of ethnicity anyway. It's all about the money.
I guess that's why New York and Connecticut have the largest Italian Bar Associations in the country.
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Old 08-14-2014, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Well-off Italian-Americans, especially older ones sometimes do. Most Italian-Americans are the suburbs now. Not sure why you brought up affluent residents, though.
Jews, especially in New York, think in ethnic terms. How many articles appear in the NYT about Israel and Jewish life every month? I'm sure it's significantly more than the Washington Post. There are even organizations in NYC that help Jews move here. The NYT ran an article about this maybe a year or two ago.
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Old 08-14-2014, 09:49 AM
 
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Do only affluent people count?

Affluent people in many areas are similar I would say its the non affluent that more make a places identity and connections. Maybe another area where DC is the outlier to be honest

Even is wealthy burbs for a place like Philly the ethnic influence is much larger than say a Reston or Mclean etc.

I feel BCD keeps comparing say Dupont to the UWS (gross over-simplification) and says DC and NYC are similar - that i minority of either to me

West Chester NY or say Gladwyne PA feel a lot different to me than say a Mclean or the stretch along chain bridge road


BCD - have you lived in other cities in the corridor - am just curious

again this does not make DC bad but it doesn't have the same ties and longstanding identity - that has pluses and minuses
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Old 08-14-2014, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Boston may have the most noticeable White ethnic influence of these cities. I remember first riding the T in college and seeing these Boston Globe ads in green and white with shamrocks all around them. Then there were the green and red "Sawks" jerseys, the Celtics, an Irish dominated city council (though mayor was Italian at the time...new mayor is Irish), and just a whole bunch of other stuff that gave away the city's Irishness. The cafeteria workers and admins came from far out suburbs and many of them were Irish (yes, they would mention their Irishness). It was impossible to not notice.
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Old 08-14-2014, 09:54 AM
 
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Who matters then?
The people today who make up the overall culture and lifestyle ... not just certain ethnicities or just the working class. By the way, this includes not writing off the majority of the population in a city or a state.

Also, not focusing on how things were 50 to 150 years ago and pretending like that's how things are today.
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Old 08-14-2014, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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The people today who make up the overall culture and lifestyle ... not just certain ethnicities or just the working class.
And that would include the Italians, Irish, Puerto Ricans, Jews, West Indians, Poles, etc. You keep saying "the people who make up the culture," but those are the people who make up the overall culture. You're just upset because we're not telling you it's only affluent people "who make up the overall culture and lifestyle." The vast majority of New Yorkers aren't affluent anyway so your point is moot. Do you really think most people in the NYC metropolitan area are rich?

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By the way, this includes not writing off the majority of the population in a city or a state.
And you think the affluent is a majority?

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Also, not focusing on how things were 50 to 150 years ago and pretending like that's how things are today.
We are talking about the way things are today.
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Old 08-14-2014, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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The DC area doesn't have an "Italian American Psychic Mind Reader" either.


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