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Old 07-30-2014, 01:28 AM
 
Location: Somewhere below Mason/Dixon
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This idea of using Great Lakes water to keep the western states having access to water is a very touchy subject to the Great Lakes states. They feel very strong against it, and they will never give that water up without a fight. Those lakes are that regions most important asset and they will protect it.
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Old 07-30-2014, 01:44 AM
 
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Las Vegas conserves water more so than any SW desert city, with the exception of Tucson? Las Vegas' water allocation from the Colorado River is 300,000 square acre feet, and we must make do with that for 2M people and the tourists in town.

Go drive around the wasteful L.A. area, where 60% of the water goes to landscaping, with green lawns ad infinitum! If the L.A. and San Diego areas had the xeriscaping that Las Vegas has, there's a big ocean of water conserved right there!

But it ain't gonna happen in L.A., xeriscaping to the degree of Las Vegas. Beverly Hills must suck up a ton of water alone! And you think they're going to give up their spacious green lawns?
Per capita water use in L.A. is 152. Las Vegas is at around 250, but with a goal of 199 by 2035.

Lots of water topics going around. Lots of presumed truths too, even (or especially) within the California forums themselves. Then there are those who know zero about the SW at all. There's information on the internet.
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Old 07-30-2014, 05:25 AM
 
Location: West Michigan
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We have so much water here that farmers have to install drain tile under all of the fields to help them drain. It's almost like reverse irrigation. Remove water from the fields and put it back into streams/creeks/rivers. It's a tough life here in the Great Lakes region.
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Old 07-30-2014, 05:28 AM
 
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Yours too.
You have heard of the Great Lakes Compact, correct? It's actually a federal law, so don't count on water from the Great Lakes to water your lawn in the desert.
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Old 07-30-2014, 06:28 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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I just landed on this Thread. Several decades ago a group of people came up with a great Terraforming experiment named North American Water and Power Alliance designed to reverse the flow of water in western Canada from the arctic ocean to southern California and much of the rest of the Western and Midwestern US.

It was a plan of grand size and scope. Look up NAWAPA for a real water project.

FWIW - We are in a bit od a drought here in southern New Hampshire. My rain gauge indicates we have only had 14.4 in since the end of march. Six inches fell during the first weekend of March. That leave a little over 8 in since then. We usually get about 1 in per week average.
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Old 07-30-2014, 08:13 AM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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surprisingly enough, it seems that there is a direct relationship between lot size and the amount of green in most of the aerial images I have looked at for some of the SW cities. Also, not sure if it's possible to qualify, but I wonder if Northerners that move to these arid environments, bring along their preconceived notions of landscape design and lush lawns along with?


Phoenix...
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=phoen...gl=us&t=h&z=18

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=phoen...gl=us&t=h&z=17


Las Vegas...
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=las+v...y,+Nevada&z=17

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=las+v...y,+Nevada&z=17


Albuquerque...
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Albuq...ew+Mexico&z=18

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=placi...gl=us&t=h&z=18
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Old 07-30-2014, 08:24 AM
 
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This idea of using Great Lakes water to keep the western states having access to water is a very touchy subject to the Great Lakes states. They feel very strong against it, and they will never give that water up without a fight. Those lakes are that regions most important asset and they will protect it.

I'm not even from your region and I agree with this sentiment. Work within the constraints of your environment.

And to those who say agriculture uses up the most water in the southwest, then STOP. Import your fruits/veggies from other areas that are not as arid.
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Old 07-30-2014, 08:28 AM
 
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surprisingly enough, it seems that there is a direct relationship between lot size and the amount of green in most of the aerial images I have looked at for some of the SW cities. Also, not sure if it's possible to qualify, but I wonder if Northerners that move to these arid environments, bring along their preconceived notions of landscape design and lush lawns along with?
I definitely think you are right with this. I have heard of many people who have moved from NJ to the southwest, and I wonder if they got there and wondered where all the green from their home was. And tried to recreate it. Which is a bit ridiculous.
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Old 07-30-2014, 06:26 PM
 
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Almost every other year the Mississippi and/or other (Missouri) rivers flood. And I thought of this same idea as the OP. Of having what could be like a pumping system in St. Louis. To pump excess flooding water into a pipeline and then send it to Texas or the southwest. Lowering the river levels. It may be costly to do this. But then again, think how much money is spent on flood damages every year along the Mississippi.
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Old 07-30-2014, 06:32 PM
 
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Almost every other year the Mississippi and/or other (Missouri) rivers flood. And I thought of this same idea as the OP. Of having what could be like a pumping system in St. Louis. To pump excess flooding water into a pipeline and then send it to Texas or the southwest. Lowering the river levels. It may be costly to do this. But then again, think how much money is spent on flood damages every year along the Mississippi.
It would be far cheaper to build new reservoirs for flood control and local water storage.... Then it could be banked for rare droughts, used for recreation, etc...
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