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Old 08-10-2014, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Center City
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As with so many questions posed on CD, the answer can usually be found with a simple google search. According to Wikipedia, at 53.8%, a slight majority of Latinos and Hispanics identify as white: White Hispanic and Latino Americans - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

With that put to bed, I got a chuckle out of this projection:
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In the future will we in the U.S. just lump them as part of the white culture? . . . I personally think they will because "whites" are shrinking in number and in order to still retain a white majority non-black Hispanics will be labeled as "white".
A couple of questions:
- Who might be behind such a manipulation of numbers?
- If "they" are successful in pulling this off, what do whites gain exactly? Bragging rights?
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Old 08-10-2014, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Center City
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I don't think most Hispanics are considered White, unless they or their ancestors are from Portugal or Spain.
The majority of people in Latin America are descended from Spain or Portgugal, so this claim seems illogical. That said, I raise two additional points:

1) While you may have an opinion on this matter, the US Census collects actual numbers based on self-identification.

2) People of Portuguese heritage are not considered "Hispanic," a term that refers to people of Spanish origin. Interestingly enough, Brazilians are also therefore not considered Hispanic. Brazilians are, however, considered "Latino," a term that refers to those of Latin American origin.
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Old 08-10-2014, 10:27 AM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Other - mixed. Most Native American nations will not accept a member unless they are 100% ethnically a descendant. The children aren't white but if that is the new pc thing, then who knows.
Not really.

Blood quantum laws - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
**The Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians of North Carolina, for example, require an ancestor listed in the 1924 Baker census and a minimum of 1/16 Cherokee blood inherited from their ancestor(s) on that roll. Meanwhile, the Cherokee Nation requires applicants to descend from an ancestor in the 1906 Dawes roll (direct lineal ancestry), but does not impose minimum blood quantum requirement. The United Keetoowah Band requires a minimum 1/4 blood quantum.

The Ute require a 5/8 blood quantum, the highest requirement of any US tribe. The Miccosukee of Florida, the Mississippi Choctaw and the St. Croix Chippewa of Wisconsin all require one-half "tribal blood quantum", also a high percentage.

At the other end of the scale, the Caddo Nation of Oklahoma requires only 1/16 documented heritage. The Confederated Tribes of the Grand Ronde Community of Oregon require a combined minimum of 1/16 from any of a list of several Oregon indigenous peoples.

Some tribes, such as Alabama-Quassarte Tribal Town and the Wyandotte Nation,[26] require an unspecified amount of Indian ancestry (known as "lineal descendancy") documented by descent from a recognized member. Others require a specified degree of Indian ancestry but an unspecified share of ancestry from the ancestral tribe or tribes from which the modern tribal entity is derived, such as the Grand Traverse Band of Ottawa and Chippewa Indians and the Poarch Band of Creek Indians.[27] Many modern tribes are confederations of original tribal peoples joined into a single political entity.

Other tribes require a minimum blood degree only for tribal members born "off" ( outside) the nominal reservation. This is a concept comparable to the legal principles of Jus soli and Jus sanguinis in the nationality laws of modern sovereign states. Below are listings of blood quantum requirements of federally recognized tribes.
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Old 08-10-2014, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Keizer, OR
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Hispanic/Latino is NOT a race, it's a cultural identity. Like another poster said, Hispanics can be of any race.
Hispanic is short for Hispanophone, meaning Spanish speaker, so anyone who comes from a Spanish speaking culture would be considered hispanic.
Latino means from Latin America, which includes all countries south of the US regardless of language.
That's just how I interpret it, I know Hispanics and Latinos have different ideas on what it means. I'm of Spaniard descent myself, and I would be considered Hispanic by the US Census.
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Old 08-10-2014, 06:09 PM
 
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So when a white non-Hispanic has children with a non-black Hispanic say a brown skinned Mexican are there kids considered white or Hispanic. So confusing.
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Old 08-10-2014, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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Would be mixed race. Just like a half-White and half-Black person, or any other mixed race group.
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Old 08-10-2014, 07:04 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA (Morningside)
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As others have said, Hispanic/Latino status is not the same as race. Virtually all Hispanics within the U.S. are mixed race to some degree, but in the absence of "Latino" status some would pass as white, others as black, but many as neither. Judging from Hispanics I've shared with on 23andme, when someone gets to be around 70%+ European in terms of their ancestry they pretty much look "white." Few Mexicans or Central Americans are in this group, but plenty of Cubans, some Puerto Ricans, and some South Americans (Argentinians, Uruguayans, etc) certainly are.

Socially speaking, however, Latinos easily pass as "white" insofar as by the second or third generation they speak English fluently, speak little Spanish, tend to not live in heavily Hispanic neighborhoods, and quite often marry white anglos. The vast majority of Latinos have enough European ancestry (unless they are Dominican or something) that their kids would mostly "pass" for white quite easily if they married a white American.
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Old 08-10-2014, 07:30 PM
 
Location: Keizer, OR
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So when a white non-Hispanic has children with a non-black Hispanic say a brown skinned Mexican are there kids considered white or Hispanic. So confusing.
If two non-hispanic people have kids together, then they are obviously not hispanic. If a non-hispanic white has kids with a brown skinned Mexican, then that kid is technically hispanic, regardless of skin colour.
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Old 08-10-2014, 08:33 PM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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As others have said, Hispanic/Latino status is not the same as race. Virtually all Hispanics within the U.S. are mixed race to some degree, but in the absence of "Latino" status some would pass as white, others as black, but many as neither. Judging from Hispanics I've shared with on 23andme, when someone gets to be around 70%+ European in terms of their ancestry they pretty much look "white." Few Mexicans or Central Americans are in this group, but plenty of Cubans, some Puerto Ricans, and some South Americans (Argentinians, Uruguayans, etc) certainly are.

Socially speaking, however, Latinos easily pass as "white" insofar as by the second or third generation they speak English fluently, speak little Spanish, tend to not live in heavily Hispanic neighborhoods, and quite often marry white anglos. The vast majority of Latinos have enough European ancestry (unless they are Dominican or something) that their kids would mostly "pass" for white quite easily if they married a white American.
As someone who lives in an area with many Hispanics, the above is not exactly true. For one thing, most Hispanics have Spanish surnames. It is much less common for a Hispanic woman to marry an Anglo man (and lose her Spanish surname ) than vice versa. In addition, many if not most Hispanic men marry Hispanic women. For another, most Hispanics have black hair, brown eyes and darker skin tone than Anglos. Most maintain some Spanish skill. As an FYI, you can't be 70% of any ancestry. The denominator has to be 2, 4, 8, 16, etc, e.g. 3/4 or 75%.

@Dawn.Davenport-

There were quotas on certain Europeans from 1921 (rev. 1924) through 1952.

Immigration Act of 1924 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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So when a white non-Hispanic has children with a non-black Hispanic say a brown skinned Mexican are there kids considered white or Hispanic. So confusing.
Generally the children of such couples are simply considered Hispanic.

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Old 08-10-2014, 08:49 PM
 
Location: West of Louisiana, East of New Mexico
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If a person is 50% "white" and 50% "indigenous," most people think either "white" or that person is white-Hispanic. If a person is 50% "black" and 50% "white" that person is black. If that same person is 25% "black" and 75% "white", that person is still probably "black."

For statistical purposes, Latinos will be absorbed into whiteness. The only reason it hasn't fully happened like the Irish or Italians is that there's persistent immigration from across the border. For each Latino that begins to self-identify as white (in the same way someone of English/Scottish ancestry would), there are two Latinos coming from central America that see themselves as Mexican or El Salvadorean....if not exactly white.

Asians are the model minority...and the next candidates to be turned "white." The issue with them is that they are far more diverse than Latinos racially and ethnically. Indians, Pakistanis, Japanese, Vietnamese etc., are all Asian. These groups blend with whites, but seem more willing to maintain some level of cultural autonomy in a way that Latinos are not.

African immigrants may be the most educated of all, but they're still black. The U.S.A. doesn't want the self-determination of African immigrants with the rebellious spirit of black Americans mixing too much.

Latinos best bet is to avoid the temptation of becoming "white." White in color and "white" are two different things.
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