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Old 03-05-2017, 07:41 AM
 
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No, Hispanics are not white.
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Old 03-05-2017, 07:50 AM
 
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This is so funny, in Massachusetts and Rhode Island most of the Hispanics are so dark people often times consider them black without realizing they are talking about Dominicans/Puerto Ricans. People assume they are Cape Verdean who are black. When you get out to Western Mas and Connecticut most of the Hispanics are Puerto Rican and look more classically Latino/Rican.
There are Black Hispanics, as Hispanic is an ethnicity. Loiza is a predominantly Black city/area in Puerto Rico, as an example. African American - Latino World: LOIZA: A Black Community in Puerto Rico

You see what you speak of in Upstate NY, as many of the Hispanic are Black or of obvious African descent.
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Old 03-05-2017, 07:59 AM
 
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I am from PA and I agree, over there the Hispanics have been traditional pretty dark to the point you could easily call them African Americans.

That has changed due to the increase in Mexican migrants which have made the Hispanics in the area look more along the indigenous lines.

Now that I live in South Florida it's where I've seen a lot of white anglo looking Hispanics from Cuba, Colombia, Argentina, Venezuela, Brazil.

I even have a customer at my office who happens to be an orthodox Jewish man and comes from Argentina.

From my own observations, usually Mexicans, Central Americans and Ecuadorians (my girlfriend is from there) look alike, usually brown of short to middle stature.

Brazilians, Cubans, Colombians, Venezuelans have a wider range of looks. Some look Caucasian, some mixed race, some mextiso, some black etc.

Dominicans and Puerto Ricans tend to look sort of black or mixed with it.

That is what I've observed here in South Florida though, back in PA I was mostly just exposed to Dominicans and Puerto Ricans and to a lesser extent Mexicans.
I think people forget or may not know that Latin American countries also had immigration waves from Europe. Many have Jewish communities(I believe quite a few Cubans that came to Miami were Jewish). Argentina is 40-45% Italian and has people of Eastern European descent. Brazil is people with roots in Southern and Eastern Europe, along with a pretty big Japanese population. So, said countries aren't as monolithic as some may think they are.
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Old 03-05-2017, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Yakima WA
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No, Hispanics are not white.
I was reading about the DNA of Hispanics. On average they have far more (southern) European ancestry than anything else. I always thought they were a near 50\50 mix of white and Native American but this was wrong. The Census Bureau has it correct...Hispanic is an ethnicity not a race. Most Hispanics are white since their genetic makeup is mostly European.
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Old 03-05-2017, 12:30 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I was reading about the DNA of Hispanics. On average they have far more (southern) European ancestry than anything else. I always thought they were a near 50\50 mix of white and Native American but this was wrong. The Census Bureau has it correct...Hispanic is an ethnicity not a race. Most Hispanics are white since their genetic makeup is mostly European.
If someone doesn't look white then they aren't white. Their genetics could say something else but our eyes don't see their genetics.

I know George Lopez on his show did one of those DNA tests and he is more than 50% European. I believe that sure given Latin Americas long European colonization but people like him should say mixed or something.
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Old 03-05-2017, 07:18 PM
 
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It's only normal

Imagine trying to find an identity in the US and trying to find a place inside the American society while dealing with all the prejudice that is often given towards the Mexican people, and you finding yourself in the middle of that simply because you also speak Spanish.
The prejudice is wrong period.

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I was just in Colombia and they are not that mestizo. At least they don't really look like Mexicans.

Some do, but most look either sort of white, sort of black, plain white, plain black or just like what Americans would call a mixture of races.

Mexicans strike me as more brown and homogenous.
They can still be mestizo while not looking exactly the same as Mexicans.

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There are Black Hispanics, as Hispanic is an ethnicity. Loiza is a predominantly Black city/area in Puerto Rico, as an example. African American - Latino World: LOIZA: A Black Community in Puerto Rico

You see what you speak of in Upstate NY, as many of the Hispanic are Black or of obvious African descent.
I know most Puerto Ricans and Dominicans have black ancestry, but I still don't consider most of them black. There are exceptions of course, like David Ortiz.
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Old 03-06-2017, 02:02 PM
 
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The prejudice is wrong period.



They can still be mestizo while not looking exactly the same as Mexicans.



I know most Puerto Ricans and Dominicans have black ancestry, but I still don't consider most of them black. There are exceptions of course, like David Ortiz.
What about someone like Roberto Alomar or Moises Alou? I don't think I said that most of them are Black, but in terms of Dominicans, most are of obvious African descent, regardless of how they identify.
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Old 03-07-2017, 01:29 AM
 
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What about someone like Roberto Alomar or Moises Alou? I don't think I said that most of them are Black, but in terms of Dominicans, most are of obvious African descent, regardless of how they identify.
Hmm those guys are borderline. They're blatantly mulatto looking but if I knew they were Hispanic I would probably think of them as Hispanic rather than black (I know the two are not mutually exclusive but you get the point). That might sound weird, but that's just how I perceive things.

And yeah most have visible black ancestry, but I generally don't perceive most of them as black. I've known a lot of Dominicans in my life and that could have something to do with it. Although in many cases they have enough black ancestry to not look white, but still don't have strong black features. That's especially true of Puerto Ricans.

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Mestizo strictly means white/indigenous admixture

If you have African blood then you're no longer a mestizo

Being multiracial is more reflective of Colombia's modern mixed population, not taking into account the many whites and blacks I saw of course.

There are also degrees of admixture if we want to get technical. Colombians on average seem to have more African and European blood than Mexicans, Peruvians, Ecuadorians who lean towards the native brown side.
That's not true, someone who's 48% indigenous, 48% white, and 4% black would still be considered a mestizo by most people.
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Old 03-07-2017, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA (Morningside)
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48% white, 48% indigenous, 2% black?
people are food items that can be broken up into ingredients?
There's been plenty of genetic studies which have shown the average ethnic breakdown of different Latin American countries over the last 10 years. Sometimes down to the provincial level.

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Old 03-08-2017, 05:50 PM
 
Location: L'Enfant D.C. near the southern end of the megalopolis
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I was reading about the DNA of Hispanics. On average they have far more (southern) European ancestry than anything else. I always thought they were a near 50\50 mix of white and Native American but this was wrong. The Census Bureau has it correct...Hispanic is an ethnicity not a race. Most Hispanics are white since their genetic makeup is mostly European.

Well, that happens not to be how race works in the U.S. Consider that many black/white biracial people consider themselves "black" and would not be considered only white. In reality, I would guess that most half-black American, half-white people have mostly European DNA, because most black people here are not genetically 100% African.
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