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Old 08-09-2014, 03:43 AM
 
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*Cold snowy winter, summers that aren't too hot
*Walkable with decent transit at least by American standards
*Medium-sized city
*Liberal but in a friendly and not hipster/snooty way
*Affordable rent
*Close to a lot of other interesting states/cities
*Low crime
*Low unemployment/good job market
*Good food scene
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Old 08-09-2014, 04:21 AM
 
Location: England
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You might want to check out minneapolis. It fits a lot of your criteria.
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Old 08-09-2014, 06:34 AM
 
Location: New Albany, Indiana (Greater Louisville)
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Define mid sized. On here that's everything from Seattle to Peoria LOL

I define mid sized as in the 200k to 500k range. My first thought was Madison WI
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Old 08-09-2014, 07:25 AM
 
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Also, do you just consider the city or the metro? I ask because a city like Albany NY could fit, the city has about 98,000, but the metro has 800,000 or so and fits much/most of the criteria. It also has a few other city centers. Hence the name of the metro area.

I'm not sure of its job market now, but a sleeper could be the Lansing/East Lansing area of MI. I'd say to look into Downtown East Lansing or Old Town Lansing. It has a pretty good bus system and the people are down to earth.

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Old 08-09-2014, 07:43 AM
 
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*Cold snowy winter, summers that aren't too hot
*Walkable with decent transit at least by American standards
*Medium-sized city
*Liberal but in a friendly and not hipster/snooty way
*Affordable rent
*Close to a lot of other interesting states/cities
*Low crime
*Low unemployment/good job market
*Good food scene
This really isn't Lansing. It's really not that Liberal, once you get out of East Lansing/Lansing the area is really conservative. The food scene really isn't that interesting. East Lansing at least has an interesting downtown. Lansing's downtown is mostly government buildings and housing and a lot of the restaurants tend to close before dinner because they cater to the government workers who live the 9-5 lifestyle.

Also, it's really a small town. Lansing/East Lansing is smaller than Kalamazoo.

I can understand why someone would say that it's a "sleeper" because it's much more affordable than Ann Arbor, but when I lived in the area, I found it too be really dull and really small. I couldn't wait to get out of there.

Most jobs revolve around MSU and State Government. If you aren't attached to either of these, then you'll be wondering why you moved there. And a lot of the population commutes in for work, but doesn't actually live there.

Personally, I'd choose Kalamazoo over Lansing any day. The downtown area meets all the criteria and there's actually a food scene.
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Old 08-09-2014, 07:56 AM
 
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This really isn't Lansing. It's really not that Liberal, once you get out of East Lansing/Lansing the area is really conservative. The food scene really isn't that interesting. East Lansing at least has an interesting downtown. Lansing's downtown is mostly government buildings and housing and a lot of the restaurants tend to close before dinner because they cater to the government workers who live the 9-5 lifestyle.

Also, it's really a small town. Lansing/East Lansing is smaller than Kalamazoo.

I can understand why someone would say that it's a "sleeper" because it's much more affordable than Ann Arbor, but when I lived in the area, I found it too be really dull and really small. I couldn't wait to get out of there.

Most jobs revolve around MSU and State Government. If you aren't attached to either of these, then you'll be wondering why you moved there. And a lot of the population commutes in for work, but doesn't actually live there.

Personally, I'd choose Kalamazoo over Lansing any day. The downtown area meets all the criteria and there's actually a food scene.
Actually, Lansing has more people than Kalamazoo within city limits and as a metro. Sparrow Health also is a source of employment. Old Town is actually north of Downtown Lansing: Old Town (Lansing, Michigan) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Home | Old Town Commercial Association

Downtown looks like it is coming along too: Lansing Downtown | Downtown Lansing and Old Town

There's this area just south of Downtown Lansing: REO Town Commercial Association: Just another WordPress site
REO Town - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here's some Downtown East Lansing info, OP: Downtown

CATA - Capital Area Transportation Authority is the public transportation provider in Lansing, MI

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Old 08-09-2014, 08:03 AM
 
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Also, it's really a small town. Lansing/East Lansing is smaller than Kalamazoo.
Lansing population (2010): 114,297
East Lansing population (2010): 48,579
Kalamazoo population (2010): 74,262

Lansing Metro (2010): 464,036
Kalamazoo Metro (2010): 326,589

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Old 08-09-2014, 08:08 AM
 
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Lansing population (2010): 114,297
East Lansing population (2010): 48,579
Kalamazoo population (2010): 74,262

Lansing Metro (2010): 464,036
Kalamazoo Metro (2010): 326,589

I couldn't rep you, but Thank You.
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Old 08-09-2014, 09:00 AM
 
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Everybody seems to be tiptoeing around Grand Rapids, which probably fulfills the medium sized city criteria better (city population 188K) and would certainly fit the rest of the list as well.

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Old 08-09-2014, 09:03 AM
 
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Everybody seems to be tiptoeing around Grand Rapids, which probably fulfills the medium sized city criteria better (city population 188K) and would certainly fit the rest of the list as well.

Grand Rapids Hotels, Events, Restaurants & Things to Do
I don't know if the strong Dutch Reformed Church influence may be an issue for the OP, but I agree that it could/would work.
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