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Old 08-15-2014, 11:20 AM
 
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I thought the Main Line was mostly WASP until after WWII.
you may actually be right - I was thinking more in the time sequence as the areas in the NE and Busks were more recent migrations

phila/four-families

So for the Jews it would be west to mainline, spattering East to Cherry Hill NJ as one example and NE to NE Philly/Eastern Mongomery county and Bucks so they went many directions

Same with Ilalians with maybe a high concentration in S Jersey and Delaware counties but still numerous migration to Montgomery and even Bucks counties so maybe no core movement

Irish migration seems even more fragmented here
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Old 08-15-2014, 11:30 AM
 
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Irish have been in the US longer and are a lot more assimilated, even in the Northeast. The whole "Irish pride" thing seems to be mostly among working class Irish. People of Irish ancestry in affluent suburbs don't really stand out much in my experience.
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I thought the Main Line was mostly WASP until after WWII.
That's probably similar to Westchester and maybe north shore Nassau* mostly WASP until after WWII, then became heavily Jewish, in parts majority Jewish.

*Include the Eggs from Great Gatsby
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Old 08-15-2014, 12:18 PM
 
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Interestingly the Jewish population has declined quite a bit in Nassau County: in 1957 it was 329,000 (28% of the population), the most recent estimate is 230,000 (17%).

Westchester was 15% Jewish in 2011, the same percentage as in 1957, rising from 116,000 to 135,000, although it was was more centered in New Rochelle half a century ago.

Meanwhile Westchester was proportionately more Italian than Long Island in 1960 but now it is less Italian.
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Old 08-15-2014, 01:15 PM
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Interestingly the Jewish population has declined quite a bit in Nassau County: in 1957 it was 329,000 (28% of the population), the most recent estimate is 230,000 (17%).
That might follow the general decline in white population. Nassau is 63% white non-hispanic as of 2010, was 97% in 1960.

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Old 08-15-2014, 02:24 PM
 
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Irish have been in the US longer and are a lot more assimilated, even in the Northeast. The whole "Irish pride" thing seems to be mostly among working class Irish. People of Irish ancestry in affluent suburbs don't really stand out much in my experience.
I don't know about that, as I grew up in an area that was at the very least solidly middle class with a high Irish American population and there still were displays of pride. It may just depend on where one lives too.
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Old 08-15-2014, 02:31 PM
 
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I thought the Main Line was mostly WASP until after WWII.
It was. And even after, the Jewish population was overwhelmingly concentrated in the Eastern half of Lower Merion Township until the '80s and '90s. Now, Gladwyne/Haverford/Rosemont/Villanova are pretty mixed Jewish/WASP. Radnor's Jewish community is growing as well.

LM's Jews tended to come from the wealthier parts of Wynnefield/Overbrook. The less affluent members of those communities mostly favored Havertown and Broomall. Oak Lane Jews migrated to Cheltenham/Eastern Abington/Jenkintown (and later Lower Moreland and beyond into Bucks County). Germantown/Mt. Airy and Norristown Jews started communities in Plymouth Meeting/Lafayette Hill (and possibly parts of Upper Dublin as well, though I could be mistaken about this). Far NE Philly was initially a magnet destination for Jews throughout the city (South/West/North/Northwest/Lower Northeast), and from there, many migrated to Bucks County, as KidPhilly noted, many of them relatively recent arrivals from the former USSR.

This is just scratching the surface.

It's worth noting that all of these communities experienced cross-pollination (e.g., my Dad, a NE Philly/Cheltenham Jew, and my mom, a Havertown Jew, raised me and my brother in LM).
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Old 08-15-2014, 04:26 PM
 
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That might follow the general decline in white population. Nassau is 63% white non-hispanic as of 2010, was 97% in 1960.
Right but their share held up in Westchester in spite of a decline of the white population there too.
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Old 08-15-2014, 04:54 PM
 
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I don't know about that, as I grew up in an area that was at the very least solidly middle class with a high Irish American population and there still were displays of pride. It may just depend on where one lives too.
Do you mean an area filled with police, firefighters and city workers? Or an area populated more by lawyers? Were a majority of your neighbors college graduates?
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Old 08-16-2014, 05:07 PM
 
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Detroit traditionally there was an east-west split in the city, with Poles, Italians, Jews and African Americans starting out on the east side.

Poles and Italians moved north mostly to the northeastern suburbs of Macomb County. Jews shifted from the east side to the west side in the interwar years and continued north/northwest to Oakland County. The expansion of the Black community led to their expansion all over most of the city of Detroit and into many inner-ring suburbs. Detroit is particularly notorious for "white flight" which was accelerated after the 1967 riots.

There are also large Arab communities in the Detroit area - Chaldeans in the northern inner suburbs I believe and Arab Muslims in Dearborn, but these are mostly post-1965 immigrants.

I'm not sure about the southern and western suburbs of Detroit.
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