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Old 08-26-2014, 07:14 AM
 
Location: Wonderland
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Very interesting thread, and I am amazed to find that I agree with almost every point made so far!






Except that I don't find the people of Nawlins arrogant (though they do love their Saints!). I think they're great fun generally speaking. Crazy - but warm and fun.

And Austin really IS beautiful and unique, but I do agree that some Austinites can go overboard in their enthusiasm for their city. I mean, I really like Austin too but Texas is chock full of terrific metro areas and I do find that Austinites tend to look down on other Texas cities as if they're dumps or full of nothing but unsophisticated cowboys and oilfield hands.

Apparently they don't realize that many of those cowboys and oilfield workers make more money than they do - and enjoy a much lower cost of living outside the Austin area. And it's not like they can't go to Austin when they want to.
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Old 08-26-2014, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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Just for a little perspective, I moved to a tiny little town in Northeast Washington state, about an hour North of Spokane, from Seattle a little over a year ago to help take care of my wife's aging parents who are both dealing with some very serious health issues. To say that people here are less arrogant and elitist than in Seattle would be a massive understatement. People here are generally more friendly and laid back. At the same time, everyone is unemployed, unless they make the hour-long commute to Spokane for work. And there are problems here that I never had to deal with in Seattle. There's not much to do here for one, and I really miss the variety of people and culture in Seattle. At least in Seattle, it seemed like I could meet people from all walks of life. Some of them were your stereotypical snobby, stuck-up yuppie jerks, and I certainly don't miss them... but others were also friendly, open, genuine, and warm. It's just that the arrogant ones seem to stick out more. Here, in my small town world, everybody just kind of seems the same. Only so much "diversity" in a town of 2,600 people. There is also quite a shocking amount of property crime in this little town. Our next-door neighbors told me they have been robbed 7 times in the last 3 years. Our house was even broken into about 6 months ago. They didn't steal much, but they made a huge mess that took a week to clean up and cost quite a bit of money. I never got robbed once in the entire 4 years I lived in Seattle. Meth is kind of a big problem here, and the local cops don't seem to care about it. You see the tweekers everywhere here, day and night, walking the town streets like zombies. It really stands out in a small town.

My point is, you can leave the city to escape the arrogance, but there's a good chance you'll just be trading one set of annoyances for another. It's a "grass is always greener" thing. Perhaps Seattle is worse than other cities, but I think it's probably something you'll have to deal with, to varying degrees, anywhere you go. Unless you come to a dying little town like this one, where the only reason everyone is humble is because life is constantly kicking their butts.

The crime thing is regional. It seems there are a lot of robberies and such in the PNW. That isn't the case in parts of the rural Midwest and NE. For one thing, people are too scared of getting shot for trespassing. The other is that people are very neighborly. I know there is a northern stereotype but the kindest people I have met are in the north. I have friends in the country who don't even lock their doors.

I am not saying that petty crimes don't occur in the rural Midwest or NE but they seem to be very random acts or located closer to the coast. When I lived in the South and SW, most of the crimes were by immigrants and/or drug dealers.
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Old 08-26-2014, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Minneapolis (St. Louis Park)
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Yes, cities that are arrogant turn me off. If you live in a great city, let the city's greatness speak for itself. You don't need to rub everybody's face in it, and put other cities down to try and prop your city up. I could never live in a city like Seattle, Minneapolis, DC, or (somewhat) San Francisco for that reason.
Guess I should scratch Cleveland off the list then, because you usually can't stop talking about it.
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Old 08-26-2014, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Who Cares, USA
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The crime thing is regional. It seems there are a lot of robberies and such in the PNW. That isn't the case in parts of the rural Midwest and NE. For one thing, people are too scared of getting shot for trespassing. The other is that people are very neighborly. I know there is a northern stereotype but the kindest people I have met are in the north. I have friends in the country who don't even lock their doors.

I am not saying that petty crimes don't occur in the rural Midwest or NE but they seem to be very random acts or located closer to the coast. When I lived in the South and SW, most of the crimes were by immigrants and/or drug dealers.
You can pretty much blame meth for about 90% of the crimes committed in the rural PNW. It's a very big problem up here that is much more pronounced than it is in other parts of the country. Add to that, the cops here in my little town have either given up on trying to fight it, or they're somehow involved in the profiteering part of it, so they just turn a blind eye. If it weren't for meth, this town would probably have almost no crime.

People generally are very friendly up here. Some of the friendliest I've met anywhere in the country. It's just... well, add meth to the equation and "friendly" goes right out the window. Doesn't matter what kind of person you're dealing with. It's a truly horrible drug. Worse than both heroin and cocaine, IMO.

I hear stories from old-timers here about what life was like in this town before the big meth wave hit in the early 90's, and it's a day and night contrast.
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Old 08-26-2014, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Milwaukee
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You can pretty much blame meth for about 90% of the crimes committed in the rural PNW. It's a very big problem up here that is much more pronounced than it is in other parts of the country.
It's also a big problem (along with heroin) in many areas of Upper Michigan and northern WI. Seems like a "northwoods" thing for whatever reason.
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Old 08-26-2014, 01:35 PM
 
Location: The canyon (with my pistols and knife)
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It's also a big problem (along with heroin) in many areas of Upper Michigan and northern WI. Seems like a "northwoods" thing for whatever reason.
Based on statistics I've seen, it seems that the only region of the United States that hasn't been overwhelmed by meth is the Northeast. It's actually worst in the Great Plains, and then the West Coast. Hopefully the Northeast never succumbs to it.
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Old 08-26-2014, 01:41 PM
 
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"Yes, cities that are arrogant turn me off. If you live in a great city, let the city's greatness speak for itself. You don't need to rub everybody's face in it, and put other cities down to try and prop your city up."
^-- Words for Portlanders to live by.
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Old 08-26-2014, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Floribama
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Based on statistics I've seen, it seems that the only region of the United States that hasn't been overwhelmed by meth is the Northeast. It's actually worst in the Great Plains, and then the West Coast. Hopefully the Northeast never succumbs to it.
Yup, it's bad down here in the South too.
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Old 08-26-2014, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Who Cares, USA
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It's also a big problem (along with heroin) in many areas of Upper Michigan and northern WI. Seems like a "northwoods" thing for whatever reason.
Yeah, to a lesser degree, heroin is an issue here too. And I'm talking about rural WA. A lot of heroin comes down here from Canada on it's way to Spokane and beyond. It's still not as big of a problem as meth though. Meth can be manufactured in anyone's home with store-bought, household products, and then sold very cheaply. Heroin is much more expensive, from what I hear.

I think meth is a more recent problem in the Eastern half of the U.S. Out West, it has been an ongoing problem for a few decades now. There are generations of tweekers here. Before I moved to the Northwest, I was living in Las Vegas, and I thought meth was bad enough down there. When I got here, I found out that it's actually much worse. I can go to the town grocery store on any given day, at any given time, and it's a given that I will see more than a few tweeked-out, pocked-face, saucer-eyed meth zombies walking aimlessly in circles in the store. It's just something you expect to see here. It's really sad.
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Old 08-26-2014, 07:06 PM
 
Location: New York NY
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Just for a little perspective, I moved to a tiny little town in Northeast Washington state, about an hour North of Spokane, from Seattle a little over a year ago to help take care of my wife's aging parents who are both dealing with some very serious health issues. To say that people here are less arrogant and elitist than in Seattle would be a massive understatement. People here are generally more friendly and laid back. At the same time, everyone is unemployed, unless they make the hour-long commute to Spokane for work. And there are problems here that I never had to deal with in Seattle. There's not much to do here for one, and I really miss the variety of people and culture in Seattle. At least in Seattle, it seemed like I could meet people from all walks of life. Some of them were your stereotypical snobby, stuck-up yuppie jerks, and I certainly don't miss them... but others were also friendly, open, genuine, and warm. It's just that the arrogant ones seem to stick out more. Here, in my small town world, everybody just kind of seems the same. Only so much "diversity" in a town of 2,600 people. There is also quite a shocking amount of property crime in this little town. Our next-door neighbors told me they have been robbed 7 times in the last 3 years. Our house was even broken into about 6 months ago. They didn't steal much, but they made a huge mess that took a week to clean up and cost quite a bit of money. I never got robbed once in the entire 4 years I lived in Seattle. Meth is kind of a big problem here, and the local cops don't seem to care about it. You see the tweekers everywhere here, day and night, walking the town streets like zombies. It really stands out in a small town.

My point is, you can leave the city to escape the arrogance, but there's a good chance you'll just be trading one set of annoyances for another. It's a "grass is always greener" thing. Perhaps Seattle is worse than other cities, but I think it's probably something you'll have to deal with, to varying degrees, anywhere you go. Unless you come to a dying little town like this one, where the only reason everyone is humble is because life is constantly kicking their butts.
This is basically it. I never cease to be amazed at the arrogance of too many folks from small towns who insist on telling me why they could NEVER live in NYC or Chicago or San Francisco or _________________ (fill in the blank with the name of another big city). The arrogance and smugness of small towns and rural areas can be very real indeed. Most people can state their preferences about where they live and why they like it there without insinuating that everyone who disagrees with them is a close-minded, parochial and totally ill-informed jerk. But smugness and arrogance about hometowns isn't limited to any particular city or region of the country--urban, suburban, or rural.
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