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Old 08-30-2014, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Who Cares, USA
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I still think that sometimes there's not much difference between "prestigious" and "pretentious."
Yeah, that's really all this thread amounts to. People who actually live in a truly "prestigious" area... and I mean a specific area, NOT an entire region, which is way too broad to define... likely don't feel the need to constantly toot their horn about it.

Otherwise, they're just compensating for some personal insecurity or feelings of being "less than".
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Old 08-30-2014, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Savannah GA
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Terrible thread...I wish people hadn't started answering this like it was legitimate. Always some who take the bait.
Seriously.
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Old 08-30-2014, 02:54 PM
 
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Agreed. I'd take the down home feel of the South over the Northeast any day. I grew up in California believing all of the ignorant, know-nothing stereotypes about the South that many Californians who have never been east of Las Vegas have. I also grew up thinking NYC is a magic mecca of all things good. Once I started traveling and experiencing the country for myself I found -- yeah, NYC is pretty cool, but I'd much rather live in Virginia, Atlanta, Nashville, Charlotte, etc. The South just feels right to me. It's pretty and has plenty of culture without making a fuss.

That said, I stand by my ranking in prestige: Northeast, West, Midwest, South.
To be fair, people in the Northeast vary and some/many know better.
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Old 08-30-2014, 03:10 PM
 
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I still think that sometimes there's not much difference between "prestigious" and "pretentious."
Prestige is when others admire it, pretentious is when the group/institution admires itself.
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Old 08-30-2014, 03:12 PM
 
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I don't consider any region of the US more or less "prestigious." I DO consider some areas and some cities more or less PRETENTIOUS however.
That is the problem here in the DC Area. DC is so pretentious. DC is an elitist state of mind that completely engulfs people who live there too long. People there are generally obsessed with status, career and acquisition to the point where they seem soulless and dead inside. People there need to be reassured that they are somehow better than everyone else outside the beltway. Yeah, a city where 1 out of every 12 people is a lawyer is a great place to live.

The Northeast, West and South all have balances of affluence and poverty. It would be just plain ignorant to proclaim the Northeast to be more "prestigious" than elsewhere. I don't think the permanent underclass of poor people in DC, PG County, Baltimore, Philly, Camden, Trenton, Newark, the boroughs of NYC, Boston etc. to be "prestigious". There is tons of serious poverty and ghettoization on the East Coast to balance the extremes of wealth and prestige that exist there.

Dumbed down averaged stats of individual cities, states and regions are very misleading. According to dumbed down stats, Maryland is the richest state in the country. However, Baltimore city, proper, is one of the poorest places in America with a population over 250K.

Same with DC. DC boasts the highest concentration of college grads of any major American city with the highest median incomes, yet DC also has one of the highest concentrations of black urban poverty in America. Yeah, 50% of DC has a college degree and a good job, but that other 50% of DC that is pretty much all black is poor and largely either unemployed or working some kind of low-paid menial labor, that is often temporary, if they are lucky. Childless yuppies living the high life are completely ignorant of the ugly poverty faced by DC's permanent native black underclass. It would be wrong to label the DC Area as more "prestigious" because doing that you would be ignoring swaths of the entire eastern side of the beltway which is historically poorer and more violent than most areas of the entire country.

Childhood Poverty Rate is Worse in D.C. Than Mexico, Says New Report: DCist

It doesn't get much better out West either. San Francisco, along with NYC, is pretty much the most expensive city to live in the entire country marked by a highly educated populace and high incomes much like DC. SF's national reputation is not tainted by crime because its a top ten international tourist city primarily inhabited by the most disingenuous white liberals in America. But the postcards of the Golden Gate bridge and Alcatraz don't show any of the extreme poverty that exists within the outskirts of SF's city limits. San Francisco might have less poor people per capita than a city like DC, but poverty in a city like SF is just as ugly as it is in DC. Public housing in SF ranks among the worst in the nation every year in terms of crime and livability indexes. Blacks and Latinos are very marginalized in SF. SF and DC are both national leaders in income inequality. People will argue that the Bay Area is rich as a whole yet Oakland and Richmond consistently rank as some of the most dangerous cities in America and other Bay Area cities like Vallejo declared bankruptcy years ago. But even these infamous cities have balances of wealth and poverty and aren't all good or all bad.

California is known worldwide for its hyperviolent ghettos and transnational street gangs. Internationally present gangs of MS-13, 18th Street, Bloods and Crips all have roots in the rougher streets of Los Angeles county. So to try to argue that all of California is more prestigious would be incorrect. But this is counterbalanced by the glitz and glamour of L.A.'s affluence in the everlasting image of the prestige of places like Beverly Hills and Hollywood being burned into the American consciousness.

The Midwest has its balance of wealth and poverty like anywhere else as well. Detroit may have an infamous reputation as being the most ghetto city in America, yet there is a good amount of wealth that exists in the suburbs there. Despite what the media wants you to think, most of Chicago is not a third world warzone. Chicago's crime rate is actually pretty average for a city of its size with its given demographics. The media is obviously pushing some kind of agenda by constantly painting the picture of Chicago as "Chiraq" when crime there is lower than it was just a few years ago. There is tons of wealth and affluence in the Chicago area.

America is a country of extremes. America has the widest income inequality gap in the developed world. But this divide cannot be drawn across huge geographic regions.

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Old 08-30-2014, 04:28 PM
 
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That is the problem here in the DC Area. DC is so pretentious. DC is an elitist state of mind that completely engulfs people who live there too long. People there are generally obsessed with status, career and acquisition to the point where they seem soulless and dead inside. People there need to be reassured that they are somehow better than everyone else outside the beltway. Yeah, a city where 1 out of every 12 people is a lawyer is a great place to live.

The Northeast, West and South all have balances of affluence and poverty. It would be just plain ignorant to proclaim the Northeast to be more "prestigious" than elsewhere. I don't think the permanent underclass of poor people in DC, PG County, Baltimore, Philly, Camden, Trenton, Newark, the boroughs of NYC, Boston etc. to be "prestigious". There is tons of serious poverty and ghettoization on the East Coast to balance the extremes of wealth and prestige that exist there.

Dumbed down averaged stats of individual cities, states and regions are very misleading. According to dumbed down stats, Maryland is the richest state in the country. However, Baltimore city, proper, is one of the poorest places in America with a population over 250K.

Same with DC. DC boasts the highest concentration of college grads of any major American city with the highest median incomes, yet DC also has one of the highest concentrations of black urban poverty in America. Yeah, 50% of DC has a college degree and a good job, but that other 50% of DC that is pretty much all black is poor and largely either unemployed or working some kind of low-paid menial labor, that is often temporary, if they are lucky. Childless yuppies living the high life are completely ignorant of the ugly poverty faced by DC's permanent native black underclass. It would be wrong to label the DC Area as more "prestigious" because doing that you would be ignoring swaths of the entire eastern side of the beltway which is historically poorer and more violent than most areas of the entire country.

Childhood Poverty Rate is Worse in D.C. Than Mexico, Says New Report: DCist

It doesn't get much better out West either. San Francisco, along with NYC, is pretty much the most expensive city to live in the entire country marked by a highly educated populace and high incomes much like DC. SF's national reputation is not tainted by crime because its a top ten international tourist city primarily inhabited by the most disingenuous white liberals in America. But the postcards of the Golden Gate bridge and Alcatraz don't show any of the extreme poverty that exists within the outskirts of SF's city limits. San Francisco might have less poor people per capita than a city like DC, but poverty in a city like SF is just as ugly as it is in DC. Public housing in SF ranks among the worst in the nation every year in terms of crime and livability indexes. Blacks and Latinos are very marginalized in SF. SF and DC are both national leaders in income inequality. People will argue that the Bay Area is rich as a whole yet Oakland and Richmond consistently rank as some of the most dangerous cities in America and other Bay Area cities like Vallejo declared bankruptcy years ago. But even these infamous cities have balances of wealth and poverty and aren't all good or all bad.

California is known worldwide for its hyperviolent ghettos and transnational street gangs. Internationally present gangs of MS-13, 18th Street, Bloods and Crips all have roots in the rougher streets of Los Angeles county. So to try to argue that all of California is more prestigious would be incorrect. But this is counterbalanced by the glitz and glamour of L.A.'s affluence in the everlasting image of the prestige of places like Beverly Hills and Hollywood being burned into the American consciousness.

The Midwest has its balance of wealth and poverty like anywhere else as well. Detroit may have an infamous reputation as being the most ghetto city in America, yet there is a good amount of wealth that exists in the suburbs there. Despite what the media wants you to think, most of Chicago is not a third world warzone. Chicago's crime rate is actually pretty average for a city of its size with its given demographics. The media is obviously pushing some kind of agenda by constantly painting the picture of Chicago as "Chiraq" when crime there is lower than it was just a few years ago. There is tons of wealth and affluence in the Chicago area.

America is a country of extremes. America has the widest income inequality gap in the developed world. But this divide cannot be drawn across huge geographic regions.
I do strongly agree with your post but mentioning PG County seemed to be an error.

Why did you mention Prince Georges County when only 9% of it's residents live under the poverty line compared to a national average of 15%? Just because an area is predominately black doesn't mean they're apart of a "permanent underclass".

But again, I agree with the rest of your post. Every society definitely does have a balance of wealth and poverty.

Prince George's County QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau

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Old 08-30-2014, 06:21 PM
 
Location: Savannah GA
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That is the problem here in the DC Area. DC is so pretentious. DC is an elitist state of mind that completely engulfs people who live there too long. People there are generally obsessed with status, career and acquisition to the point where they seem soulless and dead inside. People there need to be reassured that they are somehow better than everyone else outside the beltway. Yeah, a city where 1 out of every 12 people is a lawyer is a great place to live.

The Northeast, West and South all have balances of affluence and poverty. It would be just plain ignorant to proclaim the Northeast to be more "prestigious" than elsewhere. I don't think the permanent underclass of poor people in DC, PG County, Baltimore, Philly, Camden, Trenton, Newark, the boroughs of NYC, Boston etc. to be "prestigious". There is tons of serious poverty and ghettoization on the East Coast to balance the extremes of wealth and prestige that exist there.

Dumbed down averaged stats of individual cities, states and regions are very misleading. According to dumbed down stats, Maryland is the richest state in the country. However, Baltimore city, proper, is one of the poorest places in America with a population over 250K.

Same with DC. DC boasts the highest concentration of college grads of any major American city with the highest median incomes, yet DC also has one of the highest concentrations of black urban poverty in America. Yeah, 50% of DC has a college degree and a good job, but that other 50% of DC that is pretty much all black is poor and largely either unemployed or working some kind of low-paid menial labor, that is often temporary, if they are lucky. Childless yuppies living the high life are completely ignorant of the ugly poverty faced by DC's permanent native black underclass. It would be wrong to label the DC Area as more "prestigious" because doing that you would be ignoring swaths of the entire eastern side of the beltway which is historically poorer and more violent than most areas of the entire country.

Childhood Poverty Rate is Worse in D.C. Than Mexico, Says New Report: DCist

It doesn't get much better out West either. San Francisco, along with NYC, is pretty much the most expensive city to live in the entire country marked by a highly educated populace and high incomes much like DC. SF's national reputation is not tainted by crime because its a top ten international tourist city primarily inhabited by the most disingenuous white liberals in America. But the postcards of the Golden Gate bridge and Alcatraz don't show any of the extreme poverty that exists within the outskirts of SF's city limits. San Francisco might have less poor people per capita than a city like DC, but poverty in a city like SF is just as ugly as it is in DC. Public housing in SF ranks among the worst in the nation every year in terms of crime and livability indexes. Blacks and Latinos are very marginalized in SF. SF and DC are both national leaders in income inequality. People will argue that the Bay Area is rich as a whole yet Oakland and Richmond consistently rank as some of the most dangerous cities in America and other Bay Area cities like Vallejo declared bankruptcy years ago. But even these infamous cities have balances of wealth and poverty and aren't all good or all bad.

California is known worldwide for its hyperviolent ghettos and transnational street gangs. Internationally present gangs of MS-13, 18th Street, Bloods and Crips all have roots in the rougher streets of Los Angeles county. So to try to argue that all of California is more prestigious would be incorrect. But this is counterbalanced by the glitz and glamour of L.A.'s affluence in the everlasting image of the prestige of places like Beverly Hills and Hollywood being burned into the American consciousness.

The Midwest has its balance of wealth and poverty like anywhere else as well. Detroit may have an infamous reputation as being the most ghetto city in America, yet there is a good amount of wealth that exists in the suburbs there. Despite what the media wants you to think, most of Chicago is not a third world warzone. Chicago's crime rate is actually pretty average for a city of its size with its given demographics. The media is obviously pushing some kind of agenda by constantly painting the picture of Chicago as "Chiraq" when crime there is lower than it was just a few years ago. There is tons of wealth and affluence in the Chicago area.

America is a country of extremes. America has the widest income inequality gap in the developed world. But this divide cannot be drawn across huge geographic regions.
Brilliant post!

Close thread.
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Old 08-30-2014, 06:59 PM
 
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Prestige is when others admire it, pretentious is when the group/institution admires itself.
Ah soooo....
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Old 08-30-2014, 06:59 PM
 
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Brilliant post!

Close thread.
Agreed. Though I kind of wish this thread had been closed MUCH earlier.
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Old 08-30-2014, 07:00 PM
 
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That is the problem here in the DC Area. DC is so pretentious. DC is an elitist state of mind that completely engulfs people who live there too long. People there are generally obsessed with status, career and acquisition to the point where they seem soulless and dead inside. People there need to be reassured that they are somehow better than everyone else outside the beltway. Yeah, a city where 1 out of every 12 people is a lawyer is a great place to live.

The Northeast, West and South all have balances of affluence and poverty. It would be just plain ignorant to proclaim the Northeast to be more "prestigious" than elsewhere. I don't think the permanent underclass of poor people in DC, PG County, Baltimore, Philly, Camden, Trenton, Newark, the boroughs of NYC, Boston etc. to be "prestigious". There is tons of serious poverty and ghettoization on the East Coast to balance the extremes of wealth and prestige that exist there.

Dumbed down averaged stats of individual cities, states and regions are very misleading. According to dumbed down stats, Maryland is the richest state in the country. However, Baltimore city, proper, is one of the poorest places in America with a population over 250K.

Same with DC. DC boasts the highest concentration of college grads of any major American city with the highest median incomes, yet DC also has one of the highest concentrations of black urban poverty in America. Yeah, 50% of DC has a college degree and a good job, but that other 50% of DC that is pretty much all black is poor and largely either unemployed or working some kind of low-paid menial labor, that is often temporary, if they are lucky. Childless yuppies living the high life are completely ignorant of the ugly poverty faced by DC's permanent native black underclass. It would be wrong to label the DC Area as more "prestigious" because doing that you would be ignoring swaths of the entire eastern side of the beltway which is historically poorer and more violent than most areas of the entire country.

Childhood Poverty Rate is Worse in D.C. Than Mexico, Says New Report: DCist

It doesn't get much better out West either. San Francisco, along with NYC, is pretty much the most expensive city to live in the entire country marked by a highly educated populace and high incomes much like DC. SF's national reputation is not tainted by crime because its a top ten international tourist city primarily inhabited by the most disingenuous white liberals in America. But the postcards of the Golden Gate bridge and Alcatraz don't show any of the extreme poverty that exists within the outskirts of SF's city limits. San Francisco might have less poor people per capita than a city like DC, but poverty in a city like SF is just as ugly as it is in DC. Public housing in SF ranks among the worst in the nation every year in terms of crime and livability indexes. Blacks and Latinos are very marginalized in SF. SF and DC are both national leaders in income inequality. People will argue that the Bay Area is rich as a whole yet Oakland and Richmond consistently rank as some of the most dangerous cities in America and other Bay Area cities like Vallejo declared bankruptcy years ago. But even these infamous cities have balances of wealth and poverty and aren't all good or all bad.

California is known worldwide for its hyperviolent ghettos and transnational street gangs. Internationally present gangs of MS-13, 18th Street, Bloods and Crips all have roots in the rougher streets of Los Angeles county. So to try to argue that all of California is more prestigious would be incorrect. But this is counterbalanced by the glitz and glamour of L.A.'s affluence in the everlasting image of the prestige of places like Beverly Hills and Hollywood being burned into the American consciousness.

The Midwest has its balance of wealth and poverty like anywhere else as well. Detroit may have an infamous reputation as being the most ghetto city in America, yet there is a good amount of wealth that exists in the suburbs there. Despite what the media wants you to think, most of Chicago is not a third world warzone. Chicago's crime rate is actually pretty average for a city of its size with its given demographics. The media is obviously pushing some kind of agenda by constantly painting the picture of Chicago as "Chiraq" when crime there is lower than it was just a few years ago. There is tons of wealth and affluence in the Chicago area.

America is a country of extremes. America has the widest income inequality gap in the developed world. But this divide cannot be drawn across huge geographic regions.
Bravo!
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