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View Poll Results: Southernmost northeastern state
New Jersey 29 23.58%
Pennsylvania 14 11.38%
Delaware 7 5.69%
Maryland 45 36.59%
West Virginia 11 8.94%
Virginia 17 13.82%
Voters: 123. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-09-2014, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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If Lablov wanted to place Baltimore in the Southern zone, he would`ve done so.
If the Census wanted to place Baltimore in the Northeast, it would've done so.

Funny that nobody even bothers to even attempt to address why the Census made that decision....
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Old 09-09-2014, 04:12 PM
 
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There is no "Maryland" accent.



No, they don't.
Yes they do. They sound exactly like people in MD. What are you smoking? You keep taking the most extreme MD accents from the southern front and presenting them as run of the mill. Most Marylanders sound like the guy in hobbesdj's video.

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If the Census wanted to place Baltimore in the Northeast, it would've done so.

Funny that nobody even bothers to even attempt to address why the Census made that decision....
The census was going to change MD and DE to the northeast in the 60's but figured it would be pointless. Why waste money making administrative changes when it doesn't really matter. Most government bodies and companies place these states in the northeast. Look at the Library of Congress, why does it place MD and DE in the northeast?

You are all over City Data obsessively posting about the subject and always losing. Look at the poll, most people think MD is a northeastern state. And 39 people think the northeast extends a bit beyond Pa/NJ while only 22 people think it ends there. And look at the Pennsylvania poll about bordering a southern state, almost no one voted that they think it does.

If you leave your parents basement and actually go to these places you will see they are clearly the northeast. You cant figure out what southern is just by making endless posts on an Internet forum. Arguing that MD or DE is southern is a joke.
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Old 09-09-2014, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Yes they do. They sound exactly like people in MD. What are you smoking? You keep taking the most extreme MD accents from the southern front and presenting them as run of the mill. Most Marylanders sound like the guy in hobbesdj's video.
You didn't even see what I was responding to, did you?
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Old 09-09-2014, 04:21 PM
 
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You didn't even see what I was responding to, did you?
Yes I did. Those guys from southern MD sound like people from podunk towns in PA and coastal south NJ. They obviously dont sound like rural people in upstate NY or the TV accent that people in Pennsylvania have when they make them sound like New yorkers. They sound exactly like the bumpkins in MD, but not like bumpkins in Virginia who are actually southern. Do you think linguistic scholars put MD and PA together on accident. I think you are trying to be something you arent.
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Old 09-09-2014, 04:23 PM
 
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Yes I did. Those guys from southern MD sound like people from podunk towns in PA like Gettysburg. I dont know what youre smoking. They obviously dont sound like rural people in Vermont.
Why would people in Gettysburg have a tidewater accent? Not even people in Frederick sound like that.
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Old 09-09-2014, 04:26 PM
 
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South Jersey has a more Philly inspired accent - maybe DE, too but I doubt MD. They may be similar but they're not the same.

"Wooder" for water, for example, is a Philly/South Jersey thing. I wonder if people in MD would pronounce it the same.
Dude, have you ever even been to MD?
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Old 09-09-2014, 04:31 PM
 
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If you listen to Wale
pre-Attention Deficit, his beat construction was most certainly "southern."

Fat Trel and
Comp also have characteristically southern beat production.



Both New York and Philly are characteristically "East Coast." Way more sampling. More high hat and long snare. More kick as opposed to 808. Content-wise, much more craven.



There aren't too many "southern style artists" coming out nowadays since that style is fading away and being replaced by a more general sound that's southern influenced (i.e., Big Sean, Young Money, Tyga, etc.). Club DJs can forever be thankful to the South for addicting people to heavy 808 beats, which means they no longer have to worry about scratching, mixing or otherwise possessing any real skills DJs had in the 90s.

That said, the Philly/NYC sound doesn't fit Baltimore or DC.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zA-k_w7G-1U
And the truth comes out. You are desperately trying to associate with your homeboys in NY. Who cares what hood these jackasses side with. They are all fake and glamour, they arent representative of most people. Most blacks in Philadelphia just sound like regular black people in Baltimore or Chicago. Only the black people in NY and Boston sound very "northeastern" like JayZ. Either way most people arent black or Latino and arent interested in proving how hard they are to their crew so it doesnt make sense to focus on them so much like you have been doing.

Of course unless you are desperately trying to affiliate with the right hood.
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Old 09-09-2014, 04:32 PM
 
Location: PG County, MD
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If Labov wanted to place Baltimore in the Southern zone, he would`ve done so. Instead it is in unique zone shared by Philly, DE, and South Jersey, and further insulated by the midland dialect before it becomes Southern.
Labov placed the Mid-Atlantic dialect directly bordering the Southern dialect... the latter in which he included almost half the state. Perhaps you're referring to Aschmann's work?
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Old 09-09-2014, 04:35 PM
 
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The census was going to change MD and DE to the northeast in the 60's but figured it would be pointless.
No, it wasn't. And that still doesn't answer the question. Working from DeBow's original model, and then creating a series of classifications from the late 1800s forward, why didn't the Census simply slip Maryland into the Northeast? Was it really that hard to do? Why instead include it with so many other states that are not even in close proximity to it? Maybe they decided to put it in the South on the basis of a coin flip.

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Look at the Library of Congress, why does it place MD and DE in the northeast?
The LOC's definiton of "Northeastern States" also includes Indiana, Michigan and Wisconsin. Does that at all sound logical to you?

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You are all over City Data obsessively posting about the subject and always losing. Look at the poll, most people think MD is a northeastern state.
So what do you make of the poll in the Baltimore forum where a majority explicitly voted that they're not northeastern? It seems that would be the most relevant poll since it's actually addressed to the people who live there. As far as the only remotely scientific data we have on the question, 40% of Marylanders identified their community as being part of the South. So is Maryland, like, 40% southern and 60% "un-southern?" Is Baltimore, the state's largest population center, a non-Northeastern metro surrounded by a sea of northerness?
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Old 09-09-2014, 04:52 PM
 
Location: BMORE!
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No, it wasn't. And that still doesn't answer the question. Working from DeBow's original model, and then creating a series of classifications from the late 1800s forward, why didn't the Census simply slip Maryland into the Northeast? Was it really that hard to do? Why instead include it with so many other states that are not even in close proximity to it? Maybe they decided to put it in the South on the basis of a coin flip.



The LOC's definiton of "Northeastern States" also includes Indiana, Michigan and Wisconsin. Does that at all sound logical to you?



So what do you make of the poll in the Baltimore forum where a majority explicitly voted that they're not northeastern? It seems that would be the most relevant poll since it's actually addressed to the people who live there. As far as the only remotely scientific data we have on the question, 40% of Marylanders identified their community as being part of the South. So is Maryland, like, 40% southern and 60% "un-southern?" Is Baltimore, the state's largest population center, a non-Northeastern metro surrounded by a sea of northerness?
The validity of a poll opened to anyone with a City Data account is under question from its conception.
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