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View Poll Results: Southernmost northeastern state
New Jersey 29 23.58%
Pennsylvania 14 11.38%
Delaware 7 5.69%
Maryland 45 36.59%
West Virginia 11 8.94%
Virginia 17 13.82%
Voters: 123. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-10-2014, 07:46 PM
 
Location: Vineland, NJ
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Nobody on City Data does it. It's all about Italians, Irish and Puerto Ricans on CD.
You speak the truth. Also Washington DC barely qualifies as a "chocolate city" nowadays. The demographics change over the decades certainly prove my argument. The only reason Washington DC ever became a "chocolate city" was because of White Flight that started back in the 1950's.
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Old 09-10-2014, 07:51 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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the Baltimore area is a higher Polish percentage than both Philly and NYC areas
No, it doesn't. It has higher Polish percentage than the NYC metro, but not the Philly metro. But does it really matter since the NYC metro blows away Baltimore on scale? There are more Polish in the New York metro than there are Black people in the Baltimore metro.

To be fair, Baltimore does combine northern and southern characteristics much more than DC does or ever did. DC was more or less a bigger version of Richmond.

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Baltimore has been described as a sleepy southern town and a commercial-industrial center. Its many nicknames include “Charm City” and “Mob Town.” With cities to the south, it shares longstanding trade routes, a relaxed pace of life, and a history deeply informed by slavery, Jim Crow, and the cultural influence of a centuries-old African American population. With cities to the north, it shares a history of industrialization (and deindustrialization) along with the ethnic diversity that comes from being a major port of immigration.
400 Years of History | Baltimore National Heritage Area
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Old 09-10-2014, 08:01 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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You speak the truth. Also Washington DC barely qualifies as a "chocolate city" nowadays. The demographics change over the decades certainly prove my argument. The only reason Washington DC ever became a "chocolate city" was because of White Flight that started back in the 1950's.
*sigh*

Washington, DC, much like Atlanta and Durham, was a magnet for African Americans well before the 1950s. These cities had institutions (the AUC and black business in Atlanta; N.C. Life and Mutual and HBCUs in Durham; Howard University in DC) that solidified a large Black upper middle class during the early part of the 20th Century. That's why Lawrence Otis Graham spends a disproportionate amount of time on these cities in his book "Our Kind of People." The Black political establishment in these cities is entrenched much the same way the Irish are in Boston. DC's changing demographics didn't stop Muriel Bowser from pounding all of the white candidates into the ground. Nor did the shrinking of Boston's Irish population stop the election of Marty Walsh, the city's 14th billion Irish Catholic mayor.

Besides, if changing demographics don't mean anything, then people need to shut up about "northerners" flocking to these metros, etc. You can't argue that demographics don't matter on the one hand and then argue that changing demographics have essentially made these places "northern" on the other. Not sure why you can't see how contradictory that is.
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Old 09-10-2014, 08:11 PM
 
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Is there any data on birthplaces for the American-born in the DC area? What states/regions predominate among its "transplants"?
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Old 09-10-2014, 08:12 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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I don't think people on here really understand how excited Black people get about Washington, DC.

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Every population has a Mecca. A place worthy of praise and pilgrimage. A hallowed ground where all things begin and end. For Muslims, the Mecca is, well, Mecca. For crackheads it’s Home Depot parking lots. For Black basketball players and fans it’s Rucker Park in New York City. For White basketball players and fans it’s wherever the hell in Indiana Hoosiers was filmed.

When you mention the DMV to a BBP, watch their eyes sparkle, their cheeks rose, their skin blush, and their hair stand. Feel their blood pressure rise when namedropping places like Busboys and Poets, Park, Bohemian Caverns, Oohh’s and Aahh’s, and Sequoia. Listen to how those who don’t currently live there say things like “That’s where I need to be.” while those who do live there make sure to tell every BBP within earshot that “This is where you need to be, man.” Pay attention to how a population drenched in snark and cynicism speak of the DMV with a sincere reverence reserved for season four of The Wire.
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Old 09-10-2014, 08:14 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Is there any data on birthplaces for the American-born in the DC area? What states/regions predominate among its "transplants"?
Most domestic migrants in the DC area come from the South. I posted this information a while back. This goes for every county in the metro with the exception of DC ("northeasterners" actually make up a plurality in DC).

It's the same thing for state of birth in the MSA counties, which you can find using the IPUMS database.
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Old 09-10-2014, 08:18 PM
 
Location: BMORE!
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No, it doesn't. It has higher Polish percentage than the NYC metro, but not the Philly metro. But does it really matter since the NYC metro blows away Baltimore on scale? There are more Polish in the New York metro than there are Black people in the Baltimore metro.

To be fair, Baltimore does combine northern and southern characteristics much more than DC does or ever did. DC was more or less a bigger version of Richmond.



400 Years of History | Baltimore National Heritage Area
Lol @ you. I present facts to you, that you apparently find hard to believe, so you start talking about something completely irrelevant to what we're talking about. Read my following words clearly: Baltimore is completely, 100% southern, any northern characteristics that it may exhibit are southern as well. Baltimore is different than DC as well, both cities are 110% percent southern. However, everything about Baltimore doesn't not fit the picture of the south that picture you've painted in your head.
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Old 09-10-2014, 08:21 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Lol @ you. I present facts to you, that you apparently find hard to believe, so you start talking about something completely irrelevant to what we're talking about. Read my following words clearly: Baltimore is completely, 100% southern, any northern characteristics that it may exhibit are southern as well. Baltimore is different than DC as well, both cities are 110% percent southern. However, everything about Baltimore doesn't not fit the picture of the south that picture you've painted in your head.
How can it be a "fact" if it's wrong? Quant is not your strong suit, man.
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Old 09-10-2014, 08:24 PM
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Location: Long Island / NYC
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Most domestic migrants in the DC area come from the South. I posted this information a while back. This goes for every county in the metro with the exception of DC ("northeasterners" actually make up a plurality in DC).

It's the same thing for state of birth in the MSA counties, which you can find using the IPUMS database.
However, Maryland doesn't have that many migrants from the south, especially if Virginia is excluded.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...abg=1#Maryland

More people born in DC live in Maryland than DC itself!

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...ct_of_Columbia
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Old 09-10-2014, 08:29 PM
 
Location: BMORE!
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How can it be a "fact" if it's wrong? Quant is not your strong suit, man.
Baltimore having a higher percentage of Poles than NYC is wrong? That's what you're tangent was based on.
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