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View Poll Results: Southernmost northeastern state
New Jersey 29 23.58%
Pennsylvania 14 11.38%
Delaware 7 5.69%
Maryland 45 36.59%
West Virginia 11 8.94%
Virginia 17 13.82%
Voters: 123. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-12-2014, 02:45 PM
 
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Its true that relations have been declining and open warfare may break out between New Jersey and Maine. New Jersey of course can field a larger army, especially if allied with Delaware, so they will be on the offense. But with all the traffic on I-95, the New Jersey forces could not even reach Maine in a organized manner. They would reach the Maine border in piecemeal fashion and can be destroyed at leisure by the smaller but lethal Maine Lumberjack Brigades. New Jersey Hit Squads will however be more successful.

Navy wise, Maine has a fleet of Red Lobster Boat squadrons that can bombard the Jersey Shore. But then again, New Jersey has their fishing Party Boat fleet that can mine Maine ports.

Eventually the war will sputter out as people will begin to ask "why exactly are we fighting this war"? So I think the war would turn out be a draw.

People from Maine will call this war the "Deep South War". People from New Jersey and Delaware will call it the "Polar War".
Brilliant.
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Old 09-12-2014, 02:55 PM
 
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I'd like to point out that it's not a particularly Northeastern thing when you have German as your largest European ancestry. If anything, it makes Baltimore more Midwestern (HA!). Actually, two very Southern cities known as Knoxville and Nashville, Tennessee have German listed as the largest European ancestry group. My point isn't that having certain ethnic groups makes not a city Southern or Northeastern. Hell, Cincinnati (a town jokingly referred to as Southern) has a large German population as well, and some folk call it Cincinnati, Kentucky.

Also, it's not particularly a Northeastern thing to have a blue collar background to your residents. If this was the case, Rust Belt cities like Gary, IN, Chicago, IL, Detroit and Grand Rapids, MI, and Green Bay, WI would all count as Northeastern. The blue collar thing is more Rust Belt than anything, and the Rust Belt doesn't in particular encompass any one region of the US, as it spans from the Mid-Atlantic to the Upper Midwest. Also, has anyone here considered the fact that West Virginia (an unquestionably Southern region) has a large blue collar background in and of itself? Saying that blue collar workers and blue collar history is confined to a certain region is very ignorant. As if the South was full of white collar or the rich and lazy.

Also, can we put to death the dated row house argument? Having row houses doesn't make a city Northeastern. It means that a city has European influenced architecture. This can apply to the Northeast, but to say it is strictly a Northeast defining characteristic is as ignorant as saying that Polish people are a Northeast defining characteristic. It also shows that the person using this stupid argument have not done much traveling (or simply searched Google).

Cities with row house do include Boston, NY, and Philly. But they also include Chicago (not Northeastern). Cincinnati (not Northeastern, and bordering on Southern). Richmond and Norfolk (Southern), the Twin Cities (not Northeastern by any means), Columbus, OH (not Northeastern), Duluth (not Northeastern), Toledo (not Northeastern), and San Francisco (how in the hell is this city Northeastern?) We could even count New Orleans French Quarter style houses (Southern), but I won't since they have more of a Southern European influence rather than Western European as seen in the other cities.

I am from Chicago and going to high school we were surrounded by row houses. We never claimed to be like New York or Philly (nor did we care to since we know what region we are in). It's funny how row houses have been in Baltimore ever since it was considered the South (and nobody back then would have argued that the city was Northeastern because of their presence in the same way nobody is arguing that Richmond and Norfolk are Northeastern for the same reason). Now all of a sudden, you have Brooklyn wannabes wanting to claim the Northeast because they see row houses. Do you wannabe Northeasterners also "tawk like dis, son?" "We ova heeyah in Bawltimaw namsayin, reppin dis East Coast sh1t rill hawd"

Also, please ditch the "it's too Cosmopolitan to be the South" argument. Ever been to Atlanta? It's like people who want to believe it's not the South grab at straws, pretending to know what the South is, have no actual idea what the South is like, then base their anti-South argument on that.
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Old 09-12-2014, 03:05 PM
 
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Also, it's not particularly a Northeastern thing to have a blue collar background to your residents.
It's interesting that some are citing Baltimore's inclusion as "Northeastern" because it's "blue collar" while others are saying the affluence of Maryland makes it a Northeastern state.

German ancestry is quite common in Border cities like St. Louis, Cincinnati, Louisville. Baltimore isn't really deviating from the pattern. And it's very common everywhere except New England and the Deep South.
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Old 09-12-2014, 04:06 PM
 
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It was Germans and Scotch-Irish from Pennsylvania who settled much of Virginia and the Carolinas.

Expanding to the west: Settlement of the Piedmont region, 1730 to 1775 - North Carolina Digital History
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Old 09-12-2014, 04:20 PM
 
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I just created the northernmost southeastern state thread.

What is the northernmost southeastern state geographically?

If you claim one state as a southernmost northeastern state, then you should also claim another state as a northernmost southeastern state.
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Old 09-12-2014, 04:34 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Replace Baltimore or DC with Philadelphia in each of these quotes. Sounds pretty funny, no?

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Philadelphia has been described as a sleepy southern town and a commercial-industrial center. Its many nicknames include “Charm City” and “Mob Town.” With cities to the south, it shares longstanding trade routes, a relaxed pace of life, and a history deeply informed by slavery, Jim Crow, and the cultural influence of a centuries-old African American population. With cities to the north, it shares a history of industrialization (and deindustrialization) along with the ethnic diversity that comes from being a major port of immigration.
400 Years of History | Baltimore National Heritage Area

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Philadelphia is a Southern city. When I came here Philadelphia was as southern, if not more so, as my hometown of Chattanooga, Tennessee.
Nathaniel Branson - Social Work - UMBC

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The Philadelphia of the 1940s and 50s was a city of gentility, slow living, and racial segregation. As in other southern cities of the time, there were many things Black people in Philadelphia couldn't do.
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The glimmering pavilion, pyramid-shaped aquarium and spiffy red-brick downtown baseball park that today lure tourists by the millions to Philadelphia's Penn's Landing were little more than blueprints on a developer's drawing board when, in 1970, I first left the sleepy Southern town of my birth.
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But it was only by leaving that I learned to appreciate the enduring (and endearing) eccentricities of Philadelphia's distinctive neighborhoods. Only by moving north have I discovered just how deeply rooted in the South this mid-Atlantic city really is.
WEEKEND EXCURSION - How Dowdy Old Baltimore Turned Fashionable - NYTimes.com

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With major news stations broadcasting from Philadelphia each day, this small city a mere 135 square miles is recognizable throughout the world. It s surprising then, that members of Northeast High School Grads recall the days when Philadelphia was merely a sleepy southern city.
Growing up in a sleepy, southern town | Erickson Tribune

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"Philadelphia was Southern and you learned that very quickly."
Sleepy, Southern And Segregated: What D.C. Was Like In '63 : NPR
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Old 09-12-2014, 05:24 PM
 
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Wow I didn't know that people made statements like that about Baltimore and DC. Yeah it would sound funny if you would replace Baltimore or DC in the quotes with undoubtedly northeastern cities like Philadelphia or New York.
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Old 09-12-2014, 05:35 PM
 
Location: The City
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what is the easternmost sun-beltish western midwestern city
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Old 09-12-2014, 05:39 PM
 
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It's interesting that some are citing Baltimore's inclusion as "Northeastern" because it's "blue collar" while others are saying the affluence of Maryland makes it a Northeastern state.

German ancestry is quite common in Border cities like St. Louis, Cincinnati, Louisville. Baltimore isn't really deviating from the pattern. And it's very common everywhere except New England and the Deep South.
Right, which means that the arguments for Maryland being Northeastern are based on arbitrary notions that can really be applied to many states. Furthermore, since when is affluence a good indicator of geography? Hartford, CT is one of the poorest cities in the country and is in New England!

The Top 10 of the 100 highest income places begin with towns in Florida, Missouri, North Carolina, Ohio, and Kentucky.

Illinois has a blue collar history. Just like the Northeast. The Chicago area also has some of the wealthiest zip codes in the country (see DuPage County and Kenilworth, IL) just like the Northeast. Chicago's food is very calorically dense and greasy (like in New York and in the South). Chicago's accent is rhotic (unlike the Northeast) but has the sound of Northeast "a's". Elsewhere in Illinois, you see trailer parks and country living. Some parts of IL that fall further south than Baltimore do have Southern sounding accents and humid subtropical climates. Go to far north Illinois and you find accents resembling the Scandinavian of Minnesota. Go west and people have the Midland sound. Here in Chicago you hear a jovial Germanic/Scandinavian tone to our accent.

Nobody here claims we are Southern. Or Northeastern. We are Midwestern. And we are on the border. The south of us is Kentucky. Chicago's cuisine even features Southern influenced dishes such as those served up in the prominent Chicago chain Harold's. Nobody says we are Southern. We have characteristics of the Northeast and the South. Guess what? We claim neither. Chicago as a city is equidistant from Kentucky as it is from Pennsylvania. Still, we are Midwest. We know what region we are in. We don't hide from our history. Neither do we hide from our geographical location. Why do some Marylanders?

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Old 09-12-2014, 05:40 PM
 
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what is the easternmost sun-beltish western midwestern city
Rapid City, South Dakota.
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