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View Poll Results: Southernmost northeastern state
New Jersey 29 23.58%
Pennsylvania 14 11.38%
Delaware 7 5.69%
Maryland 45 36.59%
West Virginia 11 8.94%
Virginia 17 13.82%
Voters: 123. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-24-2014, 10:08 AM
 
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Um, I'm pretty sure DC is culturally northeastern. You're not going to find this in southern cities.

yeah most of it but it still has southern history, so I doubt if that will ever be totally wiped out, no matter how many yankees move there.
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Old 09-24-2014, 10:09 AM
 
Location: The place where the road & the sky collide
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No. All of the Jersey cities, Philadelphia and New York city etc are all both Northeastern cities and Mid Atlantic cities. The Northeast is a cultural region with two sub regions which are the upper Mid Atlantic (PA, NY, NJ) and New England (CT, RI, MA, NH, VT, ME) and also obviously it is a geographical location.
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Raleigh is also becoming Northeastern much the way DC and Baltimore did. I don't think the whole state of North Carolina can ever be Northeastern, but Raleigh is clearly emerging as the tail end of the powerful BOSLEIGH corridor.



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Linguistically, Raleigh has more in common with Philadelphia than it does with other southern cities.
There is a native accent in & near Charlotte that is nearly identical to Philadelphia. The Philadelphia-like accent is not limited to Raleigh & Charlotte but is usually heard in younger people. In the Charlotte area it extends up to baby boomers.
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Old 09-24-2014, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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There is a native accent in & near Charlotte that is nearly identical to Philadelphia. The Philadelphia-like accent is not limited to Raleigh & Charlotte but is usually heard in younger people. In the Charlotte area it extends up to baby boomers.
That makes sense considering settlement patterns.

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Old 09-24-2014, 11:04 AM
 
Location: The place where the road & the sky collide
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Pull up videos & listen to Anthony Fox & Kay Hagen. Then pull up a video & listen to Michael Nutter.
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Old 09-24-2014, 11:27 AM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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I do not think using party politics, which have varied widely over the years, is a good way to describe regions. This is especially true of the states around DC like Virginia and Maryland where government workers tend to vote for the Democrats. This does not make the states more "Northeastern" or more "Southern".

Here is a list of Senators from the State of Virginia and the party they belonged to. As you can see the party varied widely over the years.

\List of United States Senators from Virginia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A list of Virginia governors which notes the party they belong to. As you can see the party varied widely over the years.

List of Governors of Virginia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 09-24-2014, 11:42 AM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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I'm a baby boomer. We were taught that the east coast is divided into 3 regions, New England, the MidAtlantic, & the South. There was no such thing as the Northeast & Southeast until Amtrak redivided the east coast. The Northeast rail corridor went from Boston to DC because that was the Megapolis.

When the mills closed in Philly the displaced mill workers went to North Carolina. It was no secret.
This has to be wrong.

Amtrak only dates from the 1970s - are you saying there was no Northeast or Southeast until the 1970s? I find that hard to believe.

Right off the bat the Northwest Territory (the Great Lake States) dates to the late 1780s. Right after that came the Southwest Territory. If there was a Northwest it stands to reason there was a Northeast. And if there was a Southwest there would be a Southeast.

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Its an interesting question when they started to using the terms Northeast and Southeast but I believe it was way way back in our country's history. Certainly before Amtrak came about in the 1970s!
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Old 09-24-2014, 12:31 PM
 
Location: The place where the road & the sky collide
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This has to be wrong.

Amtrak only dates from the 1970s - are you saying there was no Northeast or Southeast until the 1970s? I find that hard to believe.

Right off the bat the Northwest Territory (the Great Lake States) dates to the late 1780s. Right after that came the Southwest Territory. If there was a Northwest it stands to reason there was a Northeast. And if there was a Southwest there would be a Southeast.

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Its an interesting question when they started to using the terms Northeast and Southeast but I believe it was way way back in our country's history. Certainly before Amtrak came about in the 1970s!
Yes, that's what I'm saying. I learned the sections of the US in Michigan. It was taught the same way to my contemporaries in NJ, PA, MD, & NC. I haven't had a reason to discuss grade-school geography with my contemporaries from other states. The Northwest Territory is now called the upper Midwest.

Somewhere along the line the northeast rail corridor was applied to the geographic region. It's nonsensical. Think about it. Why would you subdivide the MidAtlantic & put it into two regions? The northeast rail corridor ended in DC because the megapolis ended there. Philadelphia, Baltimore, & DC have more in common with Richmond than Boston.
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Old 09-24-2014, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Nashville TN
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The people in the Deep South don't even consider Virginia and Kentucky the "real south" even thou they are both southern states. Maryland is not the south at all thou sorry.
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Old 09-24-2014, 12:55 PM
 
Location: PG County, MD
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The people in the Deep South don't even consider Virginia and Kentucky the "real south" even thou they are both southern states. Maryland is not the south at all thou sorry.
And this is the part of these discussions that I really don't understand. Want to say MD is not the south? Okay, that's reasonable given the majority culture of the state. It's not southern at all? That statement is ridiculous.
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Old 09-24-2014, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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I do not think using party politics, which have varied widely over the years, is a good way to describe regions. This is especially true of the states around DC like Virginia and Maryland where government workers tend to vote for the Democrats. This does not make the states more "Northeastern" or more "Southern".

Here is a list of Senators from the State of Virginia and the party they belonged to. As you can see the party varied widely over the years.

\List of United States Senators from Virginia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A list of Virginia governors which notes the party they belong to. As you can see the party varied widely over the years.

List of Governors of Virginia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Yeah, sure, back in the day before there was a clear party demarcation that ran along regional lines. Virginia now votes like a Northeastern state.

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In 2000, Virginia was more socially liberal than Pennsylvania. Economically, it was only slightly more conservative than Illinois and California. It was nowhere near the Carolinas, Texas, Georgia, Missisippi, Tennessee, or any southern state.

In the 14 years since, Virginia has voted for Barack Obama twice, elected a governor who proudly endorsed gay marriage and citizenship for illegal immigrants, and elected two Democrats to the U.S. Senate. No southern state fits that profile. That sounds a lot more like New York than it does Alabama.

And the future is only getting brighter for Virginia. The same demographic changes that pushed Maryland out of the South are doing the same to Virginia. Virginia is becoming ever more liberal, it has the best public university in the country (ranked higher than Berkeley), and has transit connecting Newport News, Richmond, and Alexandria to New York, Providence and Boston. It is economically, culturally and politically tied into the Northeast.
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