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View Poll Results: Southernmost northeastern state
New Jersey 29 23.58%
Pennsylvania 14 11.38%
Delaware 7 5.69%
Maryland 45 36.59%
West Virginia 11 8.94%
Virginia 17 13.82%
Voters: 123. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-24-2014, 06:57 PM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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I'm a baby boomer. We were taught that the east coast is divided into 3 regions, New England, the MidAtlantic, & the South. There was no such thing as the Northeast & Southeast until Amtrak redivided the east coast. The Northeast rail corridor went from Boston to DC because that was the Megapolis.

When the mills closed in Philly the displaced mill workers went to North Carolina. It was no secret.
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I said that I never heard northeast applied as a region until after Amtrak slapped the term onto the rail corridor. I'm not going to say that that is wrong because what I said is the truth.
Ok but stating almost like it is a fact that "there was no such thing until Amtrak as the Northeast & Southeast redivided the east coast" and now saying "I have never heard" is two different things. Anyway, regardless the terms Northeast and Southeast have been around for a long time.

Northeastern University - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Northeastern University (1898)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southea...rsity_(Florida) Southeastern University (1935)

Maybe we should put this to rest now.
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Old 09-25-2014, 07:33 AM
 
Location: The place where the road & the sky collide
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Ok but stating almost like it is a fact that "there was no such thing until Amtrak as the Northeast & Southeast redivided the east coast" and now saying "I have never heard" is two different things. Anyway, regardless the terms Northeast and Southeast have been around for a long time.

Northeastern University - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Northeastern University (1898)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southea...rsity_(Florida) Southeastern University (1935)

Maybe we should put this to rest now.
I never heard it because geography was not taught with the east coast divided into 2 regions. My generation & before were taught that there were 3 regions on the east coast. It eliminated the arguments of who's north & who's south because there was a transition zone. Sorry you can't understand that just because there was use of northeast & southeast in different ways that those were not taught in schools as regions.
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Old 05-12-2015, 12:48 PM
 
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Maybe I'm in the minority opinion here (be gentle with me).. The long-standing definition of America's geographic North and South is the Mason-Dixon line. So North & South is not subjective, since the Mason-Dixon has not moved. I understand the case being made that a Border State like Maryland is (in parts) culturally transformed into a Northern culture.. But by definition Maryland's still located in the South.

And Virginia being voted as 'northeast' is geographically, (historically, & culturally), inaccurate. peace
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Old 05-13-2015, 02:56 PM
 
Location: Carrboro, NC
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Maybe I'm in the minority opinion here (be gentle with me).. The long-standing definition of America's geographic North and South is the Mason-Dixon line. So North & South is not subjective, since the Mason-Dixon has not moved. I understand the case being made that a Border State like Maryland is (in parts) culturally transformed into a Northern culture.. But by definition Maryland's still located in the South.

And Virginia being voted as 'northeast' is geographically, (historically, & culturally), inaccurate. peace
Why would you consider a state part of a region based on a 200 year old border that was made when the state had a few thousand people living in it and looked completely different, vs considering it based on modern cultures of the states?

It's like drawing a circle around Colorado and New Mexico and saying "these are the Anasazi states"
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Old 05-13-2015, 04:07 PM
 
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Why would you consider a state part of a region based on a 200 year old border that was made when the state had a few thousand people living in it and looked completely different, vs considering it based on modern cultures of the states?

It's like drawing a circle around Colorado and New Mexico and saying "these are the Anasazi states"
The counter argument to that would be, let's forget about history all together! Who cares what happened 200 years ago?... What Holocaust? 9/11? Constitution, that old thing? What relevance do they have on today, it was in the past!

See, doesn't sound so great when you put it that way, does it?
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Old 05-13-2015, 06:14 PM
 
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The counter argument to that would be, let's forget about history all together! Who cares what happened 200 years ago?... What Holocaust? 9/11? Constitution, that old thing? What relevance do they have on today, it was in the past!

See, doesn't sound so great when you put it that way, does it?
That's a really extreme take on what he was saying. We're not forgetting history, but realizing that times have changed and the scenarios aren't the same. Why do you think the Constitution has been amended so many times?
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Old 05-13-2015, 07:06 PM
 
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That's a really extreme take on what he was saying. We're not forgetting history, but realizing that times have changed and the scenarios aren't the same. Why do you think the Constitution has been amended so many times?
Sure it's extreme but it's valid. If we ignore history for the Mason Dixon Line we could also ignore it for anything else we please.
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Old 05-13-2015, 08:11 PM
 
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There are other things that make States Southern, County Governments and State Colleges are two things that make Maryland Southern, and PA a NE/MW border state. while New England States and NYS most prominate Colleges ( Acidemic and Sports) are private ( Harvard, BU, BC, Brown, Providence, Dartmouth, Yale, Syracuse, Columbia) while Southern States have huge followings for public colleges (UVA, UMD, OSU, UNC, etc)
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Old 05-13-2015, 08:20 PM
 
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There are other things that make States Southern, County Governments and State Colleges are two things that make Maryland Southern, and PA a NE/MW border state. while New England States and NYS most prominate Colleges ( Acidemic and Sports) are private ( Harvard, BU, BC, Brown, Providence, Dartmouth, Yale, Syracuse, Columbia) while Southern States have huge followings for public colleges (UVA, UMD, OSU, UNC, etc)
Can't forget Princeton in NJ! And Rutgers.
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Old 05-13-2015, 09:46 PM
 
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Sure it's extreme but it's valid. If we ignore history for the Mason Dixon Line we could also ignore it for anything else we please.
It's a made up line. It's not that serious..... It's not like there is an actual legit line that physically shows the south and north. It was made by MAN...... With your logic the Berlin Wall should still be up in Germany
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