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View Poll Results: Southernmost northeastern state
New Jersey 29 23.58%
Pennsylvania 14 11.38%
Delaware 7 5.69%
Maryland 45 36.59%
West Virginia 11 8.94%
Virginia 17 13.82%
Voters: 123. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-28-2014, 06:21 PM
 
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To the people who voted New Jersey as the southernmost northeastern state:

You didn't know Delaware exist? Baltimore, MD is more northern than Cape May, NJ, so Baltimore is a Northeastern City like Wilmington, DE and Philadelphia, PA.
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Old 08-28-2014, 06:33 PM
 
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To the people who voted New Jersey as the southernmost northeastern state:

You didn't know Delaware exist? Baltimore, MD is more northern than Cape May, NJ, so Baltimore is a Northeastern City like Wilmington, DE and Philadelphia, PA.
The question is "What is the southernmost "Northeastern" state geographically.

Since Maryland and Delaware are not "northeastern" states... their geographic location then does not matter as they are disqualified from being named. The southernmost "northeastern" state would then go to New Jersey by default despite the same latitude.

If I said "What is the southernmost New England state geographically" the answer cannot be New York as it is not a New England state. The answer would default to Connecticut.
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Old 08-28-2014, 06:54 PM
 
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The question is "What is the southernmost "Northeastern" state geographically.

Since Maryland and Delaware are not "northeastern" states... their geographic location then does not matter as they are disqualified from being named. The southernmost "northeastern" state would then go to New Jersey by default despite the same latitude.

If I said "What is the southernmost New England state geographically" the answer cannot be New York as it is not a New England state. The answer would default to Connecticut.
Maybe the OP was a little vague with the question. If the question is was is the southernmost state in what is defined by the census bureau as the northeast, then NJ is the answer. If the question is what state is the southernmost state on the northern half of the east coast, then it is Virginia from Richmond north.
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Old 08-28-2014, 06:55 PM
 
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The OP said geographically, not culturally, history, demographically, or politically.... Geographically.
Then geographically it's....

The southern tip of New Jersey.

Maryland (Murland) is in the South. The amount of Democrats, college-educated people, and people ashamed of being called Southern does not make it NOT the South. If it's not the South, it's the Mid-Atlantic. But it ain't Northeastern! Have you people even heard Maryland dialects? They sound nothing like the Northeast dialects. When I hear Murlanders sound like New Yorkers or even Philly (which has a very slight southern pronunciation but nowhere near as Southern as Balmer), then I can grant you that Maryland is in the Northeast. Hasn't happened. If anything, the transplants in Murland from elsewhere have diluted the Murland accent to the point it sounds more Midwestern especially in the DC suburbs and the areas around the river/Virgina border (like Fredrick, Rockville, and Bethesda). Linguistically, Maryland is moving even further from the Northeast dialect that it never had!

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Old 08-28-2014, 06:58 PM
 
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Maybe the OP was a little vague with the question. If the question is was is the southernmost state in what is defined by the census bureau as the northeast, then NJ is the answer. If the question is what state is the southernmost state on the northern half of the east coast, then it is Virginia from Richmond north.
I was talking about any definition of the northeast, not just the census bureau. I use the most common definition, so for me, Maryland is the southernmost northeastern state.
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Old 08-28-2014, 07:00 PM
 
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I'm a born and raised black Philadelphian and I still live in Philly. My word carries a lot more weight than your's because you are a outsider. I know exactly how black Philadelphians talk and the overwhelming majority of the black Philadelphians that I ever heard say the word "Maryland" pronounce it as "Maralind" or "Mawalind" (non rhetoric) or the proper way. That is nothing like the Baltimore, MD and DC southern like pronunciation of "Murland". You guys down south in Baltimore try so hard to align yourself with a northeastern city like Philly. Its flattering but the two cities have many differences which has been discussed many times in countless threads.
Exactly. Northeastern Blacks sound much different than their Southern counterparts. Balmer blacks and Whites say Murland unless they are transplants. Philly and NY Blacks and Whites say Maralind or Mawalind just like you said which coincides with a more Eastern way of talking, NOT Southern. In fact, I think a good way to tell if a city is Northeastern is to see how the Blacks talk relative to Whites. Blacks in New York and Philly sound like the Italians from New York and Philly. Blacks in Murland sound like the Whites (locals) who sound Southern as hell.

This phenomenon of Blacks and Whites sounding the same is seen in the Northeast and the South. It can be a marker of where you are. In the Midwest, due to Great Migration, Blacks continue having a Southern-like dialect. And whenever Blacks from Baltimore come to Chicago they sound Southern, not like their true Northeast counterparts in NY and Boston, and yes, Philly. Northeastern Blacks don't sound Southern. Baltimore Blacks DO sound Southern.

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Old 08-28-2014, 07:03 PM
 
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Exactly. Northeastern Blacks sound much different than their Southern counterparts. Balmer blacks and Whites say Murland unless they are transplants. Philly and NY Blacks and Whites say Maralind or Mawalind just like you said which coincides with a more Eastern way of talking, NOT Southern. In fact, I think a good way to tell if a city is Northeastern is to see how the Blacks talk. Blacks in New York and Philly sound like the Italians from New York and Philly. Blacks in Murland sound like the Whites (locals) who sound Southern as hell.
Then why in most dialect maps, they place Baltimore in the same region as Philadelphia?
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Old 08-28-2014, 07:06 PM
 
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Exactly. Northeastern Blacks sound much different than their Southern counterparts. Balmer blacks and Whites say Murland unless they are transplants. Philly and NY Blacks and Whites say Maralind or Mawalind just like you said which coincides with a more Eastern way of talking, NOT Southern. In fact, I think a good way to tell if a city is Northeastern is to see how the Blacks talk. Blacks in New York and Philly sound like the Italians from New York and Philly. Blacks in Murland sound like the Whites (locals) who sound Southern as hell.
Blacks in Philly sound nothing like whites in Philly. Whites in Philly sound like whites in Baltimore. Black in Baltimore, Philly, and DC and their own distinct accents with some cross pollinating between them.
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Old 08-28-2014, 07:20 PM
 
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I was talking about any definition of the northeast, not just the census bureau. I use the most common definition, so for me, Maryland is the southernmost northeastern state.
Not the most common definition your definition of the NE 13 people said NJ/PA 1 said DE so 14 say the NE ends north of MD 9 say MD is furthest south
In fact 9/26 is not a majority.
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Old 08-28-2014, 07:56 PM
 
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@Muppet Cape May is also on the same parallel or maybe even a tad bit more southern than Winchester VA so is Winchester a NE city?
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