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Very well Conakry, Guinea then. According to the UN both Guinea's murder and robbery rates are lower than France's. Or Accra, Ghana as Ghana is listed as having a murder rate roughly equal to Belgium.
Very well Conakry, Guinea then. According to the UN both Guinea's murder and robbery rates are lower than France's. Or Accra, Ghana as Ghana is listed as having a murder rate roughly equal to Belgium.
I'm just asking for a little bit of consistency here. You KNOW that the amount of white people in Gary is high enough that if they were black people moving into a majority white area, it would freak some of the residents out. And yet, it's referred to as a "non-white" city.
I'm just asking for a little bit of consistency here. You KNOW that the amount of white people in Gary is high enough that if they were black people moving into a majority white area, it would freak some of the residents out. And yet, it's referred to as a "non-white" city.
Oh. I thought you were saying something opposite to that. Like Gary is mostly black and crime-ridden, Toronto is mostly non-black (but not mostly white) and not too bad on crime therefore, etc.
There's a tendency on C-D, even among people who are liberal on social issues, to equate blacks with criminals. And I think it's black, and Hispanics to an extent, not simply "non-whites" in general that get equated so. If one found a majority Asian-American city high in crime I think some here might be as or more surprised than the examples of largely/mostly white cities high in crime. I'm not even sure American Indians get equated to crime quite so much as blacks on this, or in fairness other, forums.
Anyway yeah some of the high crime "black cities" have a fairly large white population, some of whom likely have bad neighborhoods too. Baltimore was mentioned earlier. Flint looks to be around 42% white. Saginaw, Michigan is slightly more white than black, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone believes or insists it's crime is just blacks. Rochester, New York is similar in being slightly more white than black.
To get back more to the spirit of the question how big a majority of white is needed to fit as a "white dominated community"? One poster said 85% or more, but there really aren't that many cities that are 85% or more white. Even Billings, Montana is just 86% white and Portland is 73.5% white. So it seems like anything over 70% white might be "white dominated" by urban standards.
The way I see it, this is how it plays out. African-Americans and White people have the same potential to be violent. I have lived around White people who have done horrible things(other than murder though). This is the difference I see. There is more crime in areas that are predominantly African-American, and more violent crime as well. Bearing this in mind, there is something else to consider: With African-Americans, they are more likely to be suspected. Because of this, there is a higher likelihood of getting caught and therefore this is represented in the statistics. What you see in the statistics represents the people who got CAUGHT. White people are less likely to be suspected and therefore less likely to get caught.
Single mothers? I know that's not what you mean, but I think there is a fairly strong correlation between single parenthood and crime. My sister was a single mom, and even though I'm Catholic I know leaving her husband was the right thing to do, but I think she agreed it's not the ideal arrangement. She had a large supportive family in us, which helped, but many to most of America's single moms don't.
Here's "cities by single parenthood." I believe a majority of them have crime rates well-above average, including those that are less than 20% black. Check out the assault rates for Kalamazoo, Michigan and Utica, New York.
Racially London and Toronto are pretty mixed. London is 31% non-white and 10.6% black, Toronto is around 47% non-white and 8.4% black. So both are low-black compared to most US cities but comparable to LA or Phoenix or Utica.
Granted black Americans are more likely to be single parents than most other races. The breakdown of the black family was controversially observed by Daniel Patrick Moynihan in the 1960s. As I recall blacks in America experienced a comparatively rapid urbanization. Dislocations occurred that likely even made single-parenthood trickier because "extended family" was broken up and kids were more expensive in an urban environment so single parents had to work more.
Generally, at least as I recall, "black" places with strong families or strong extended families do alright with crime. On the "least single parent household list" there's the plurality-black suburb Missouri City, Texas. It's been called "ghetto" on C-D, but its crime rate is well-below average in most years.
Unless you meant Hispanics as London, Toronto, Japan, or wherever are probably lower than most any US city in Hispanic population. However there are enough "safe" majority-Hispanic cities I was guessing you didn't.
Wow that's a good find. Seems to be a direct correlation between how high the single parent household % is and having a high crime rate. Camden is #1 and it was named the most dangerous city in the country a few years back, I've been there and it's in terrible shape.
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Oh. I thought you were saying something opposite to that. Like Gary is mostly black and crime-ridden, Toronto is mostly non-black (but not mostly white) and not too bad on crime therefore, etc.
There's a tendency on C-D, even among people who are liberal on social issues, to equate blacks with criminals. And I think it's black, and Hispanics to an extent, not simply "non-whites" in general that get equated so. If one found a majority Asian-American city high in crime I think some here might be as or more surprised than the examples of largely/mostly white cities high in crime. I'm not even sure American Indians get equated to crime quite so much as blacks on this, or in fairness other, forums.
Anyway yeah some of the high crime "black cities" have a fairly large white population, some of whom likely have bad neighborhoods too. Baltimore was mentioned earlier. Flint looks to be around 42% white. Saginaw, Michigan is slightly more white than black, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone believes or insists it's crime is just blacks. Rochester, New York is similar in being slightly more white than black.
To get back more to the spirit of the question how big a majority of white is needed to fit as a "white dominated community"? One poster said 85% or more, but there really aren't that many cities that are 85% or more white. Even Billings, Montana is just 86% white and Portland is 73.5% white. So it seems like anything over 70% white might be "white dominated" by urban standards.
I'm the poster to mention 85% white as "White dominated". This is mostly based on observations, as I've lived in and am very familiar with cities that are 70%-80% White/Non Hispanic and in these the minority % seems higher, especially since there are neighborhoods that were near or higher than mostly non-white, and minorities were visible in most parts of the city. So I just wouldn't call them "White dominated" but they are "Majority White".
An example is Canton Ohio which has a high crime and murder rate, but even though it's nearly 70% white being familiar with it I wouldn't consider it "White dominated" at all. I also lived in Elyria Ohio (near Cleveland), and it's now about 75% white/non hispanic but being familiar with it and living in a neighborhood that was 45%-70% non-white and seeing non-whites in nearly all parts in the city I personally wouldn't call it "White dominated", although the crime rate in Elyria isn't that much higher than the US average (but it was high in the neighborhood I lived in, the Southside of Elyria).
So for me you could say it's more based on the label/words "White Dominated". Maybe I would lower it to 80% or 75%, but when you get further down than that there's a good population of minorities, and you wouldn't know if it was the Whites or the non-Whites committing the crimes, over 85% white/non-hispanic it's almost a sure thing that if it has a high crime rate their being committed by the whites since there's not a large enough population of non-whites to attribute it to them, IMO.
There's a tendency on C-D, even among people who are liberal on social issues, to equate blacks with criminals. And I think it's black, and Hispanics to an extent, not simply "non-whites" in general that get equated so. If one found a majority Asian-American city high in crime I think some here might be as or more surprised than the examples of largely/mostly white cities high in crime. I'm not even sure American Indians get equated to crime quite so much as blacks on this, or in fairness other, forums.
Anybody who thinks there are no high-crime asian communities in America is an idiot and has never been to a Chinatown in a big city (read: SF and NYC). The only reason that whites aren't seen as criminals is because a large-enough amount of white wealth - particularly white immigrant wealth - is generated from illegal business that it would make whites look bad so the media chooses to gloss over it. And when they can't hide it, they romanticize it (read: the Italian Mafia). Why is the media not all over the dominance of the Russian Mafia in NYC or the Chinese Triads in San Francisco where there's literally billions of drug dollars made every year but they instead spend an inadvertent amount of time focused on black & hispanic street gangs who more often than not are pushing the drugs that the chinese/mexican/russian cartels supply them? Riddle me that.
Some poster from Europe asked a similar question(the focus was legit American white street gangs and crews and are active)and just like that thread, folks are struggling to name one. If this thread was created 50, 80 years ago, naming one would be about as easy as naming a crime ridden black or Mexican neighborhood. In fact, Chicago had more murders in the 1920s when it was 85%+ white than today.
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Problem is that people in Europe are somewhat confused due to Hollywood films and series. When portraying criminals, most of the time they use the "role reversal" thing, many times they portray criminals as European looking people fighting against non-white people.
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. Thats why most crimes perpetuated by Whites happen during the day!
