Originally Posted by Katiana
Good grief! First of all, the above is not "all" you asked. This is what you asked: I tried,
apparently unsuccessfully, to give you a reason to find it accurate. Just because it doesn't go with all your
beliefs, that doesn't make it wrong! The areas I am familiar with on that map are very accurate, even now, 8 years
No, I don't know anything about your decision-making, but I generally don't make my decisions based on what "most"
people "know". I usually research. If my research doesn't agree with my preconceived notions, I usually look a
Really? Must we do this again? Okay, fine. This is the last time that I will respond to your postings so listen carefully. Either you choose to misunderstand, misrepresent, and misconstrue my statements purposely or you are unable to comprehend them. Let me try to state things in as clear a form as I can for your sake.
1. I questioned the accuracy of the diagram because I originally did not know what its source was, if its source was credible, why its source is credible, what the parameters of the survey are, what the qualifiers of the survey
are, whom did it survey, the statistical information of those surveyed, how it even defines its terms such as "religious adherent", if it was the only version available and if yes, then why was the source unable to update the
diagram and publish a new version. I had indicated in the first post I submitted in this thread that I had alot of questions about the diagram. Including why an island in Hawaii is completely red when the rest of the islands are not and whether or not this is because it was privately owned by one person who was considered by the survey qualifiers to be a "religious adherent". Is it really that hard for you to understand why a rational and logical person's first inclination upon seeing a diagram on an internet forum would be to question its accuracy? If yes, then I feel sorry that you are not rational or logical enough to understand that concept.
2. I did not once say that it was "wrong". Nor did I say that it "doesn't go" with all my beliefs. I only asked if it was -accurate-. And how could you infer that it does not go with all of my beliefs if you do not even know
what my beliefs are? Of what beliefs have I stated that you could possibly be referring to?!?
3. Like I said; Most People who use the term "Bible Belt" have some indication of which states they are referring to. Why would you go and assume that they don't have any idea of what they are talking about unless they agree with the diagram?? Are you making it your mission to run around waving the diagram every time you hear someone say the term "Bible Belt"?? Like I pointed out, this term existed prior to the publication of that diagram.
4. You said you tried to give me a "reason" to believe that it is accurate. Your "reason" is that it came from Valapraiso University's Geography Dept. A dept you indicated is "well-respected". Okay, firstly saying that its
source is "well-respected" is not enough reason to believe that the diagram is accurate without question. Just because something comes from such and such place does not make everything that comes from that place automatically correct. The diagram must be able to stand on its own merits prior to anyone being able to accept its validity. Secondly, you claim that that dept is "well-respected". What makes it "well-respected"? You did not indicate any supporting arguments for your assertion. And "well-respected" by whom? By you? What makes you an authority on geography depts? By "most people"? Oh, you mean the same "most people" that you then say you do not base your decision making upon? Do you always contradict yourself or is it simply more hypocrisy?
5. You then assert that although it is 8 years old, it must still be absolutely true because.. why? Because you are "familiar" with the areas on the map. Wow. You say you don't know anything about my decision making but you
insinuate that I make all my decisions with "no expert advice", then insinuate that I base my decisions on what "most people know". So you are saying that the diagram is accurate because the -Valapraiso University Geography
Dept- said it is accurate. And the Dept must be correct because -YOU/OTHERS/MOST PEOPLE- deem it "well-respected". And there is no need for an updated version of the diagram because -YOU- said that it is accurate based on what -YOU- are familiar with. Do you make all your decisions based on rhetoric, assertions, assumptions, and blind faith in authority? According to you, I should not question a diagram I see on an internet forum because I must believe it because -YOU- told me to? You have got to be joking, right? It has been amazing that I have survived this long making decisions without your "expert advice".
6. When making decisions, you say you "research" then look alittle further. Extraordinary. Your idea of research is that it came from Valapraiso so it must be accurate. Valapraiso is respected by you, by others, by most people so everything they put out must be accurate. You are familiar with some areas on the map despite the fact that it is 8 years old so it must be accurate. Damn. If that is your idea of "research" and looking "alittle further" then I am just so glad you are not a doctor because your patients would be in dire trouble. And if you are a doctor, then let me know where you practice and I will definitely not raise my children in -THAT- state or any
state that willingly gave you a medical license.
7. Telling me to just accept what you say as "reason" to believe that the diagram is accurate in a thread that asks about the most Atheist American Cities is hilarious. You know, the Bible is also very "well-respected" by
others and "Most People" and even though it may supposedly be a couple thousand years old, if -YOU- are familiar with some parts of it then it must also be accurate. Yes, no need for -anyone- to question the Bible.
8. By the way, my posts are full of -MY- opinions. Why the hell would you care what I think let alone what I think about the diagram!?!? Why would you care if I question it? Why would you care where I raise my children or where I choose not to raise my children? Why would you care how I make my decisions? Because it is obvious that you care so much about what others think to take the time to attack everyone who disagrees with you regarding the diagram. You even take it a step further and assume you know how other people make their decisions as well. You must either lead a very boring life or have lots of spare time on your hands to actually care about whether complete strangers question a diagram or not. That is quite sad, really.
Yes, and on top of ALL of this, THE DIAGRAM DOESN'T EVEN ANSWER THE OP'S ORIGINAL POST! As I have stated, just because a city may have the least amount of "religious adherents" (however the diagram defines the words
"religious" or "adherent") DOES NOT mean that it will have the most Atheists, or be the most Atheist American City. Even if it defines a "religious adherent" simply as someone who does not go to a religious venue ie. a church,
temple, or etc.; that STILL DOES NOT mean that that someone is an Atheist. Plenty of religious people do not go to church yet still consider themselves religious but not necessarily a "religious adherent".
I beseech you to respect this forum just as others like myself do and adhere to forum guidelines: keep your posts on topic (in answering the OP's question), without personally attacking people whom you do not agree with (as I am not the only one you have criticized who have questioned the diagram), and actually recognize that yes, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS ON THINGS THAN YOU DO. So on behalf of other people on this forum; GIVE IT A REST!